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Flyfisher
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 Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 9:55 am Post subject: The Feds want to take away some of your fishing areas |
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Watch out or the Texas coast may become similar to the California coast, where fishermen have lost a lot of fishing areas. Go to the TKF website and read about the current administration's plans to limit fishing. Act before it is too late.
http://texaskayakfisherman.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=131156
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A tragedy in the works. I expect much, much better from the most recent Nobel Peace Prize winner. 
“This significant change in U.S. policy direction is the result of a 90-day fire drill process as ordered by the President that, not surprisingly, lacks balance, clarity and quality in the end product,” said Morlock. “People who simply want to take their kids fishing on public waters deserve better from their government,” he added.
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The Trash Heap
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| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 11:56 am Post subject: Re: The Feds want to take away some of your fishing areas |
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| Flyfisher wrote: | Watch out or the Texas coast may become similar to the California coast, where fishermen have lost a lot of fishing areas. Go to the TKF website and read about the current administration's plans to limit fishing. Act before it is too late.
http://texaskayakfisherman.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=131156
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Name some of them.
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| it is on their site, why would shimano misled everyone. and what are they going to gain. |
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| Dalyn V. wrote: | | it is on their site, why would shimano misled everyone. and what are they going to gain. |
I asked Flyfisher, but if it's on the website as you say, Dalyn, why don't you name some of the fishing areas the feds propose to take away from us?
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| It evidently is in the planning stages but why don't we all just wait and the Feds will tell us in time what areas they will close. Anyone want to take that chance? |
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Same question I asked Flyfisher and Dalyn: name some of the specific fishing areas the feds propose to close to us. If possible, you can quote the specific areas directly from the Shimano or B.A.S.S sites, or from the federal task force report they both cite.
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The Trash Heap
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| Flyfisher wrote: | | It evidently is in the planning stages but why don't we all just wait and the Feds will tell us in time what areas they will close. Anyone want to take that chance? |
Thank you.
Now, turning to the rest of your original post, | Quote: | | Act before it is too late. |
what action is it you want us to take before we know either what areas will be proposed or even when the proposal might be made?
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| The Trash Heap wrote: |
Same question I asked Flyfisher and Dalyn: name some of the specific fishing areas the feds propose to close to us. If possible, you can quote the specific areas directly from the Shimano or B.A.S.S sites, or from the federal task force report they both cite. |
Are you going on the record saying there is absolutely no chance of this? If so, please provide a link to your proof.
I would guess that if this is true, then the feds would have to establish a policy, then integrate specific areas to that policy...but I"m just guessing.
emails with no definitive source are one thing... but I have a hard time believing shimano and B.A.S.S. are just starting poo poo for no reason...
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Okay from what I understand there are no specific areas that are set to be closed yet Obama is asking for a plan to choose what areas to close. What is trying to be accomplished is to limit this new agency from having the power to close areas without any oversight. This is a call to action to slow down the increase of governmental powers. Without limitations on this new agency they could decide that certain areas should be closed and there would be no say so. Think of what the turtle people could do with that.
Of course that is just my take on it. I would hate to wait and see what areas are closed to me and then try to fight to open those areas. Lot easier to keep the Fed out of it and let the state manage itself.
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| The Trash Heap wrote: |
Same question I asked Flyfisher and Dalyn: name some of the specific fishing areas the feds propose to close to us. If possible, you can quote the specific areas directly from the Shimano or B.A.S.S sites, or from the federal task force report they both cite. |
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www.keepamericafishing.org
While these guys definitely have an agenda (and I believe it comes close to representing most of our concerns here on CorpusFishing), there is some good info relating to histories of closures and precedents. |
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Ill take the chance. I'll wait, gather information, and make a rational decision rather than being alarmist.
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| Oil Field Trash II wrote: | | The Trash Heap wrote: |
Same question I asked Flyfisher and Dalyn: name some of the specific fishing areas the feds propose to close to us. If possible, you can quote the specific areas directly from the Shimano or B.A.S.S sites, or from the federal task force report they both cite. |
Are you going on the record saying there is absolutely no chance of this? If so, please provide a link to your proof.
I would guess that if this is true, then the feds would have to establish a policy, then integrate specific areas to that policy...but I"m just guessing.
emails with no definitive source are one thing... but I have a hard time believing shimano and B.A.S.S. are just starting poo poo for no reason... |
That's answering a question with another question, and asking me to prove a negative at the same time. 
Look, it read to me like the interim report filed by the task force was only the first attempt to establish a set of goals in a very broad task. The tf's assignment was to try to bring together all the federal agencies with goals as diverse as protecting port security and freshwater quality under one roof and establish common policies that enhanced their abilities instead of getting in each others' ways. In other words, while the feds had to scurry to make the Whitehouse deadline for this first report, they are still years away from making concrete proposals like closing the Laguna Madre to fishing because they currently can't agree among themselves, much less convince a judge, how to go about it if they desired.
The federal system has a lot of checks and balances between now and such a bold specific proposal. The first of these is a series of public meetings just to present the interim report and get feedback. Along the way, as it firms up towards a solid course of action, there will be more hearings, public meetings, and decision documents like EISs than you can shake a stick at. Right now, you couldn't take the feds to court over such a broad and so-far inconcrete policy issue because everything has to be in the form of a final agency action before a judge will even accept a challenge.
There's no point in speculating on the motives of Shimano and B.A.S.S., is there? You should be pretending you're the 911 operator, asking them to state the specific nature of the emergency. It could be they smell smoke, or it could be they heard the neighbor's kids had found a book of matches. I wouldn't dispatch the firetrucks quite yet from what I've seen so far.
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