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Big John
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Curtis,

Scientific poll, no, but close enoiugh

When they passed the first ordinance, enough signatures of voters were gathered to indeed put it on the ballot. Thats over 8,000 signatures, whioch represents a huge number of registered voters.

The city counsel, when they passed the first ordinance said they would not pursue any further closures when they passed it.

Mr. Shexlainder came along and whined, oh we need more beach closed or we will run away like big wussies!

The city counsel resinds the first ordinance, and drafts a new closing more beach---
against what the city of Corpus Christi's majority wants and against their promises.

Their promises to pass a city charter mean nothing either, becuase once the city gives preferential treatment to one developer, which they have, any other developer can use this as a legal precedent.

In other words, the new developers can say the city charater change is prejudicial to them, and then have a court reder it void, and force the city to give them equal treatment to Schexlainder and Intrawest, which means closing beach for them too.

We all lose then.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Big John. Once the precedent is made every other developer will demand the same treatment. That would only be fair and the end to beaches as we know them today.
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curtisrock



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can't honestly be serious about using a petition as evidence of what the population wants. I already knew you would mention the petition, and the 8000 some-odd signatures.

First, petitions are signed by anyone. They leave them around different places, and people unaware of anything sign them. Some could possibly be misinformed about the petition they're signing. I also remember petitioners trying to get a libertarian candidate back in the 2004 election on the ballot. They were out at the bars and nightclubs getting a ton of signatures. Do you think that's a scientific data collection?? Laughing

I'd be surprised if 8000 some odd people even went to the polls in Corpus Christi considering that we have 9-12% voter participation in our area.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr Rock,

You sure do wish to get under someone's skin. If You were as well informed as you protest to be you would know that was 8,000 registered voters in and for the City of Corpus Christi only. I could not sign it because I live in Beeville.

I would like to suggest that a petition be started by the same people to be sent to the GLO. For Mr. Rock that is the governing agency of the beach. They have the final word.

This should be fun.

See all that think they can cast on Saturday.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="SALTYDOG"]Mr Rock,

I could not sign it because I live in Beeville.

I would like to suggest that a petition be started by the same people to be sent to the GLO. For Mr. Rock that is the governing agency of the beach. They have the final word.


I agree, How many other Texans also use the beach and have no say so about it? THAT IS TAKING AWAY FROM ALL TEXANS!
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unlucky_larry



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Honestly I just choose to ignore Curtis, he is getting what he wants, to be noticed. His opinion and comments have no real value but to crawl under everyones skin.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

unlucky_larry said:
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Honestly I just choose to ignore Curtis, he is getting what he wants, to be noticed. His opinion and comments have no real value but to crawl under everyones skin.


No, I really want you guys to read, understand, and consider the issues. It's pretty apparent that most don't.

SALTYDOG said:
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I would like to suggest that a petition be started by the same people to be sent to the GLO. For Mr. Rock that is the governing agency of the beach. They have the final word.


You're right, and now with the ordinance passed, the request to the GLO will occur. Undoubtedly, the City has provided the adequate and required parking, so the GLO is going to approve the measure.

Now we won't have old burnt sofas left on the portion of beach. There won't be any vehicle allowed to transport them there by people who supposedly "care" about the beach.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

curtisrock wrote:
Now we won't have old burnt sofas left on the portion of beach. There won't be any vehicle allowed to transport them there by people who supposedly "care" about the beach.


Some of those folks who do drive on the beach cleaned up 44 tons of trash from the Big Shell area on the National Seashore in one day so before you paint everyone who drives on the beach as a litterer consider that. Were you there?

You will always have idiots who do that and there will probably be pedestrian friendly visitors who leave dirty diapers in the parking lot.
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Nueces Bay
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am beginning to doubt that CurtisRock even lives in Corpus and that he has as little say in the whole deal as I do living in Portland. Guys he is also probably one of those that would dump an old sofa on the beach to help his cause. Ignore him....
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only American way is to vote on it & let the cards lay. Idea
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Texmaps
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No, I really want you guys to read, understand, and consider the issues. It's pretty apparent that most don't.


OK Curtis, what are the issues?

As I see it,

1. Economic Development. Anyone who is paying attention, knows that land values are skyrocketing along the Texas Coast. People from other parts of the Country are discovering what a bargain waterfront property is in Texas. Packery Channel has greatly enhanced the value of the area in question and significant development will occur with or without the restriction of vehicular traffic on the beach.

2. Safety. Some people argue that we need a safe beach area where kids can play without their parents having to worry that they will be hit by a car. Well, guess what, we already have areas of the beach (Malaquite) that are closed to vehicular traffic and they are usually deserted! No one wants to drag their stuff 100 yards or more so they can enjoy the beach. If this area is closed off to vehicles, the only people who will ever use it will be the resort guests.

3. Precedent. If this is approved, every condo owner on the beach will be screaming for their beach to be closed. "Its not fair that you closed the beach in front of their development but not mine!" As far as the ordinance saying that further areas cant be closed without a public vote, that means nothing! A future council could remove that requirement just a quickly as this one passed it.

I will sign the petition and I will vote against the closure.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bet your right Texmap. Old Curtis didn't bother to say where he lives when he signed up. Well I live on Oso Bay and I have read everything that has been printed about the Beach closure. To include the state law that governs the beaches of Texas. I vote and I see it for what it is. A land grab by developers that will come here, squeeze every dollar out of Corpus they can and then leave to Rape another part of the country. I will vote against it and my vote will count. Mad
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Curtisrock is probably a young kid living off of mommy and daddies hard work. He has only had to work for life’s desires not the necessities of life. I think he is an excellent example of what we are up against. This is why I have participated in replying to his ignorant post. People like him look at what others have and want to take it and make it “better” in their eyes. They have no regard for others. If you disagree with them you are out of touch or stupid.

These are the people we are fighting. Only one thing will win this fight. VOTING!!!!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Curtisrock, it is apparent you are just someone working for the council who joined this web site to be stupid since you only have 8 posts. The council has gave this developer everything he has asked for, JFK causeway. a new Packery Channel paid for by tax payers that now they will not be able to use the whole south side of it, and now the council has given him his own private beach that the fact of the matter is his land doesn't even go to the vegetation line. Funny how you mention safety for children, in 1 single day in Corpus there are more kids that almost get ran over in HEB parking lot than in a whole year on the beach. Why are those people who are so concerned for kids safety not closing all the HEBs, malls and other shopping centers??????? I guess I should be happy they are closing the beach, being a disabled veteran this should make me a very rich person when I sue the developer, the city, the GLO and the state for not, as the state and city law plainly states, "providing equal to or better than access" to the beach. Right now I can park at the south jetty of Packery Channel, 50 feet from the water. How do you figure parking 1800 feet away in a parking lot is "equal to or better than" access. Maybe in my lawsuit I will get them to call it Redneck Channel instead of Packery Channel.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I went to the ericvonwade.com site and gave my 2 cents. Of course Curtis has a vested interest. His parents own the engineering firm that he works for. This firm has been contacted to do some work on the Island project. A difference of opinion is all that it is. Curtis sees developement on the island as a financial gain for his company. I hate to see the closure and big condos but our city council sold us out. Curtis says the 8000 signatures on the petition mean nothing.
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