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[cephus]

Went to Port Mansfield to do some fishing Thursday and noticed "Public Notice" posters all over town. They contained information of interest to many of us. There were 2 meeting posted and they are as follows.

# !. Parks & Wildlife will be holding a meeting on the Speckled Trout situation in the lower Laguna Madre. The meeting will be held on June 7th from 6 to 10 PM at the Port Mansfield Chamber of Commerse Pavilion.

# 2. The Corp of Engineers will will be holding a meeting on the plans for dredging ot the East Cut. The meeting will be held on June 8th at the Port Mansfield Chamber of Commerse Pavillion starting at 5pm till 7 pm.

Talked to some guides there and they expect a proposal to reduce the trout limit to 5 per day from the south end of the land cut south to Port Isabel due to falling gill net sampling results.
As for the jetties, there was a lower than usual tide and we saw a hump measuring 4.5 feet just past the aprons going out thru the jetties. After the hump we saw 6 to 7 feet for most of the way on out. That was staying close to the north side jetty.Things seem to be getting progressivly worse and we hope to hear some good news on June the 8th.
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Off Shore Port Mansfield

[putawaywet]

From Cap. Bruce Shuler, Port Mansfield-

Just had a long conversation with Mr. Wilson, Navigation District Port Director.
There will be a meeting conducted by the Corp. of Engineers in town:

June 8, 2006 5:30 P.M. till 7:00 P.M. Pavilion Bldg.

Summary of data to date:
First bids were too high and have been thrown out. Rebidding is now in progress, should have numbers soon.
This summary meeting should give us dates and times for all items of concern.
If I get any additonal information before, I will post here.
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Capt. Bruce W. Shuler

[OIL FIELD TRASH]

>>>>Talked to some guides there and they expect a proposal to reduce the trout limit to 5 per day from the south end of the land cut south to Port Isabel due to falling gill net sampling results.<<<<<

different regs for different portions of the same general body of water?


that sounds like an enforcement nightmare......

[oldsaltyone]

Dividing the entire Texas coast into separate "regions" is not needed and smells of cronyism. The only reason this has come up in the Lower Laguna is because a few "influential" guides down there have personal relationships with a few "influential" TPWD personnel. If it's good enough for the Lower Laguna, it better be good enough for Baffin, Matagorda, Sabine and every bay in between.

DON'T DIVIDE TEXAS!

[TW]

I agree that something smells & it is not the regulation changes.

We manage our deer & turkey on a county basis. Our freshwater lakes have different size & bag limits so what is different about saltwater bays? Enforcement nightmare-ha- those that are lawbreakers will continue & those that are not will continue to be law abiding. I hunt on a ranch that joins 3 counties that have different bag limits & it is not a problem.

Enforcement is a deterrent not a cure all. I see no enforcement problem at all.

Each bay is its own ecosystem and should be managed as such.

I think the five fish limit should extend from the Rio Grande to SPID.

Five is enough.

TW
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[OIL FIELD TRASH]

perhaps in your perfect world, there isn't going to be an enforcement problem....

what happens when you put in in port mansfield, fish the lower laguna, then head up to fish the land cut and baffin? Do you think when you return to the ramp in mansfield, the game wardens will be satisfied with a "we caught THOSE "extra" 5 in baffin" type answer?

Honesty has nothing to do with it.

this is absolutely NOTHING like lakes, as lakes are confined bodies of water.

As far as deer and turket being managed on a county basis....what are you suggesting? That we tag each individual fish?

[oldsaltyone]

Of course I may have missed something, but I've looked over the TPWD web site and I have not found anything pertaining to the scoping meetings being held in June in the Lower Laguna area. If regionalization will be a topic, why are these meetings not being publicized by TPWD outside the LLM? I know they wouldn't try to "stack the deck".

The smell I like is that of watermelon fish slicks, a newly opened bag of Bass Assasins, or golden brown fillets hot out of the pan.

[kweber]

one can't help but wonder how many "influential" guides stay in buisness after a few people go home from a $400 trip with 5 17in. trout? we gave the whiners all trout but one over 25 in. "que mas querio?" Kurt.

[TW]

[OIL FIELD TRASH"]perhaps in your perfect world, there isn't going to be an enforcement problem....]

My point exactly – it is NOT a perfect world- we have law breakers with our current regulations-

[[OIL FIELD TRASH"]what happens when you put in in port mansfield, fish the lower laguna, then head up to fish the land cut and baffin? Do you think when you return to the ramp in mansfield, the game wardens will be satisfied with a "we caught THOSE "extra" 5 in baffin" type answer? ]

Not problem- similar situations exist with bag versus possession limits now-or
catch a limit in the morning go home & back out in the evening for 10 more !

[[OIL FIELD TRASH"]Honesty has nothing to do with it.]

On this one you are dead wrong- HONESTY has everything to do with it!


[[OIL FIELD TRASH"]As far as deer and turket being managed on a county basis....what are you suggesting? That we tag each individual fish?[/quote]

We managed game on a region basis that do not require tags- ie morning doves & others-

You can draw all the scenarios you want but to try an justify your opinion
on enforcement issues is a stretch. I call BS!

Five is enough
TW
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TW

[TW]

[oldsaltyone]

Aww shucks, TW, I'm a lover not a fighter.

Maybe you could tell me just how TPWD could change the bag limit in the Lower Laguna and not the rest of the coast?

I've always wondered about the five limit. Why not 3 or 7 or 9?

[cephus]

I have a dog/dogs in this hunt! Thay are my grandkids/great grandkids. Some say that the trout/fish limits regulations should be the same for the entire Texas coast. Just for fun, take a look at a Texas map and check out how many "flowing" rivers/streams provide fresh water inflow into the bay systems of the Texas coast. Then check how many are regulated by dams as to how much "fresh" water is released to the bay system. As you work yourself up from the Rio Grande (almost no flow) to the Nueces river at Corpus Christi (severly regulated) you might see why our part of the world is very different from the bay systems from ,say, Port O'Conner on up north to the Sabine river. In my humble opinion regionalization of the Texas coast to adjust laws and or limits of fish is the best answer for all concerned. I could go on more, but for now that is my 2 cents worth.
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Off Shore Port Mansfield

[ArtificialB8]

Here's the information from TPWD.

http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/newsmedia/releases/?req=20060522b

[oldsaltyone]

After my May 21, 2006 post concerning the lack of any notice of the LLM meetings in June, it's nice to see that on May 22, 2006 TPWD got around to posting a media release on their web site. Way to go, guys.

My take on this situation is that in order to lower bag limits in the LLM only, TPWD would have to separate the coast into separate "regions." That is why this is not a LLM problem only. YOu bet the whole coast is involved if youre talking about lowering the bag limit. Is there a problem with the trout fishery in the LLM that can only be fixed by dividing the entire coast? I think there are other, less intrusive and more inexpensive way to "fix" this perceived problem. I have not heard anyone suggest increased stocking of trout fingerlings from tpwd/cca in the LLM. I have not heard anyone suggest lowering the possession limit to 10 on trout from the 20 it stands at now. These things can be done without the burden and expense of dividing the coast. And speaking of expense, just how much are these meetings for the LLM cossting thee Texan taxpayer? A public audience for a few guides to spew their views must really be cheap. I know with the budget problems tpwd is having, state parks closing, reduced hours, laying off employees, etc., these meetings must be an emergency, huh?

DON'T DIVIDE TEXAS

[TW]

Oldsaltyone- I think your don’t divide stance is a SMOKE Screen.

[quote="oldsaltyone"]After my May 21, 2006 post concerning the lack of any notice of the LLM meetings in June, it's nice to see that on May 22, 2006 TPWD got around to posting a media release on their web site. Way to go, guys.]

You really think your post had anything with the media release?
Hold on- I suspect you can read about it in various papers shortly- more SMOKE

Come on be honest, your problem is with reduced limit & has
nothing to do with your complaints.Your whine about notices & such is a canard.

Cephus is right- each bay system is an individual ecosystem & should be managed as such.

I think you have a dog in this hunt you ain’t telling us about?

Five is enough

TW
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TW