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SaltyCuda
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 Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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Don't forget the native Hardhead, Shark etc, etc, etc.....
Do fish feel pain?
Who is senselessly killing Lion Fish???
Did I say Shark to a shark fisherman... LOL! |
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Central Scrutinizer
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| Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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| SaltyCuda wrote: | | Who is senselessly killing Lion Fish??? |
ME, hopefully. 
There is no such thing as "senselessly" killing a lionfish (or any other introduced aquatic invader). They don't belong here, have no major predators, and represent a real threat to the local fauna. (Just look up the Regulations on catching a grass carp in Texas.....OUCH!!!  )
But you are right, cats are the issue here.
I have 2 cats, so I will shut up now (and go retrieve the N'th ground snake/shrew/lizard/bird that they have brought me as a present  ). |
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topdog15
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| Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2014 9:03 am Post subject: |
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| SaltyCuda wrote: | Don't forget the native Hardhead, Shark etc, etc, etc.....
Do fish feel pain?
Who is senselessly killing Lion Fish???
Did I say Shark to a shark fisherman... LOL! |
I am unclear about what you're getting at with your last few comments.
First, it is not senseless killing if you are protecting native wildlife. You're right...it's not the cat's fault. They are just being cats. We are to blame. Therefore, it is our responsibility to try and right the situation. Same goes for feral hogs. It's just pigs being pigs. Doesn't mean we shouldn't attempt to control them.
Second, can you list examples of what I may have incorrectly considered a native species?
Third, what do sharks and hardheads have to do with anything?
Fourth, there was a thread a while back that looked into the topic of "do fish feel pain". I believe the paper cited said that they do not feel pain in the same way we do but it would be worth a read if you're truly interested in the topic.
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SaltyCuda
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| Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2014 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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| topdog15 wrote: | | SaltyCuda wrote: | Don't forget the native Hardhead, Shark etc, etc, etc.....
Do fish feel pain?
Who is senselessly killing Lion Fish???
Did I say Shark to a shark fisherman... LOL! |
I am unclear about what you're getting at with your last few comments.
First, it is not senseless killing if you are protecting native wildlife. You're right...it's not the cat's fault. They are just being cats. We are to blame. Therefore, it is our responsibility to try and right the situation. Same goes for feral hogs. It's just pigs being pigs. Doesn't mean we shouldn't attempt to control them.
Second, can you list examples of what I may have incorrectly considered a native species?
Third, what do sharks and hardheads have to do with anything?
Fourth, there was a thread a while back that looked into the topic of "do fish feel pain". I believe the paper cited said that they do not feel pain in the same way we do but it would be worth a read if you're truly interested in the topic. |
For the most part, I am screwing with you, I have read the fish pain article and we have discussed it here before.
As for my comments, Humans consume, Reds,flounder and trout in response to your comment about how we would react if some species were killing these fish.
Sharks, Hardheads are native and some folks kill them for no other reason than they don't like them or enjoy doing it.
Senslessly killing Lion Fish was a joke.
I never said you were incorrect about local or other species. I did bring in the above as examples where Humans do what you are protesting as it pertains to cats doing to birds among other species.
Yes, I have cats, a dog, I fish, I hunt. I just don't see any justification for some on this forum who want to run over and kill the cats, there are other options. Besides, killing the existing cats won't solve anything as I mentioned, the cats are not the problem, humans are, humans are why the cats (and the litter) are where they are so, you can treat the cough or you can treat the flu that caused the cough. |
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topdog15
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| Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2014 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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| SaltyCuda wrote: | | topdog15 wrote: | | SaltyCuda wrote: | Don't forget the native Hardhead, Shark etc, etc, etc.....
Do fish feel pain?
Who is senselessly killing Lion Fish???
Did I say Shark to a shark fisherman... LOL! |
I am unclear about what you're getting at with your last few comments.
First, it is not senseless killing if you are protecting native wildlife. You're right...it's not the cat's fault. They are just being cats. We are to blame. Therefore, it is our responsibility to try and right the situation. Same goes for feral hogs. It's just pigs being pigs. Doesn't mean we shouldn't attempt to control them.
Second, can you list examples of what I may have incorrectly considered a native species?
Third, what do sharks and hardheads have to do with anything?
Fourth, there was a thread a while back that looked into the topic of "do fish feel pain". I believe the paper cited said that they do not feel pain in the same way we do but it would be worth a read if you're truly interested in the topic. |
For the most part, I am screwing with you |
And the truth finally surfaces. Thank you sir for taking time out of your day to screw with me. You obviously have nothing better to do. Perhaps you could spend some of your time treating the flu, as you said, rather than making ill informed statements simply to stir the pot.
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SaltyCuda
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| Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2014 8:06 am Post subject: |
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| topdog15 wrote: | | SaltyCuda wrote: | | topdog15 wrote: | | SaltyCuda wrote: | Don't forget the native Hardhead, Shark etc, etc, etc.....
Do fish feel pain?
Who is senselessly killing Lion Fish???
Did I say Shark to a shark fisherman... LOL! |
I am unclear about what you're getting at with your last few comments.
First, it is not senseless killing if you are protecting native wildlife. You're right...it's not the cat's fault. They are just being cats. We are to blame. Therefore, it is our responsibility to try and right the situation. Same goes for feral hogs. It's just pigs being pigs. Doesn't mean we shouldn't attempt to control them.
Second, can you list examples of what I may have incorrectly considered a native species?
Third, what do sharks and hardheads have to do with anything?
Fourth, there was a thread a while back that looked into the topic of "do fish feel pain". I believe the paper cited said that they do not feel pain in the same way we do but it would be worth a read if you're truly interested in the topic. |
For the most part, I am screwing with you |
And the truth finally surfaces. Thank you sir for taking time out of your day to screw with me. You obviously have nothing better to do. Perhaps you could spend some of your time treating the flu, as you said, rather than making ill informed statements simply to stir the pot. |
Nice! take the peice of what I said and manipulate it to fill your needs.
Let's be clear, my original post was serious, I have kept it light the entire time. You surely didn't expect me (or anyone else) to just except that you know best and then change my mindset to mirror yours. Did You?
The problem is humans and they are just as invasive as any other species, you don't have to look to far back in history when we were not here.
Evolution is a reality, you might want to except this and know that every invasive specie is a product of it. Including man, cats or trout.
"Ill informed" I think you may be, you read, you listen, you beleive. I get it, it must be the way you say, there couldn't be any other alternative.
I have plenty to do, I multitask.
My original statement of leave the cats alone is still my position.
There were cats under that bridge 35 years ago when I was a deckhand on Charlie's boat, there will be cats under that bridge when you and I are gone.
Don't take my comments too personal (it seems you do), I don't look to attack you, simply to consider another point of view. I have read your posts for several years and for the most part I do not dis-agree. |
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topdog15
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| Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2014 11:25 am Post subject: |
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First, I apologize if you feel like I've taken any of this personally. I assure you I haven't.
Second, no need to explain the tenets of evolution to me. I am well aware of the process.
How can you equate the introduction of a non-native species with the process of speciation?
Evolution does not create invasive species. It simply acts upon those species that are already present in an area.
Evolution did not put feral hogs in Texas. Evolution did not create rats in the new world. Evolution did not cause cats to become a problem in areas outside of there native range. As you stated, people are the problem. But as I said before, this is about taking responsibility for our actions. Should we simply let feral hogs destroy native species and habitat? Should we stop setting rat traps? Cats are excellent hunters. That is a product of evolution. That they are in places they should not be, is not.
I appreciate your thoughtful replies to this point, but trying to explain invasive species as an evolutionary process is off the mark.
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| topdog15 wrote: | | riofrio wrote: | Outdoor cats are the leading cause of death among both birds and mammals in the United States, according to a new study, killing 1.4 billion to 3.7 billion birds each year.
The mammalian toll is even higher, concluded researchers from the Smithsonian Conservation Biology Institute and the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, ranging from 6.9 billion to 20.7 billion annually.
That's a lot of birds! |
You would think that a city that prides itself as the "birdiest" in the US would take this more seriously. |
I feel the same way. People come from all over the WORLD to bird watch here in the "Coastal Bend". I think we should strive to kill every last stray cat we can find in this city due to their bird killing habits.
When we're done we can get back to work on the turtle-hating Dorado. I'm fine with a dead turtle every now and then, but I'm afraid the Dorado eat too many and I might not live long enough to witness the coming PINS arabada with my own eyes.
Now back to our quarterly scheduled evolutionary debate on Corpusfishing.com.
Gig 'Em!
P.S. Saltycuda, a little tip for ya... Don't look him in the eye or you'll start laughing and forget your train of thought.
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Rebecca of Sunnybrookfarm
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I'll say it, all feral cats should be euthanized due to their destructive nature.....while I admire their prowess, they're not supposed to be here, running wild and killing millions of native birds per year....
becky
this one is outdated but still a decent primer for those of you who like to click on links....
http://www.abcbirds.org/newsandreports/NFWF.pdf
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rodandroll
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| Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Rebecca of Sunnybrookfarm wrote: | I'll say it, all feral cats should be euthanized due to their destructive nature.....while I admire their prowess, they're not supposed to be here, running wild and killing millions of native birds per year....
becky
this one is outdated but still a decent primer for those of you who like to click on links....
http://www.abcbirds.org/newsandreports/NFWF.pdf |
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SaltyCuda
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| Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 9:51 am Post subject: |
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This will be my last post on this topic so if you feel you need the last word, here's your opportunity.
The entire planet and everything on it is a result of evolution, everything that has a place today was not there at some point in the past.
Some of you won't like this but here it is.
Cats may be our future. Enjoy what you have for the time you have on this planet, it'll be over soon enough.
If anyone could actually predict what was coming, the game would be different and that is why people have dis-agreed about things like evolution vs creation for as long as we have had the power of thought.
They are not my cats so kill them if you feel the need, seems a little hypocritical coming from this bunch. |
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