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SaltyCuda
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Nothing wrong with a few cats under the causway, it's not like they are taking out Pelicans. They are keeping other species in check.
Leave them alone and go catch a fish. |
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ironmanstan
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| Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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| SaltyCuda wrote: | Nothing wrong with a few cats under the causway, it's not like they are taking out Pelicans. They are keeping other species in check.
Leave them alone and go catch a fish. |
I agree let keep the island rats incheck.
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topdog15
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| Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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| SaltyCuda wrote: | Nothing wrong with a few cats under the causway, it's not like they are taking out Pelicans. They are keeping other species in check.
Leave them alone and go catch a fish. |
Actually there is something wrong with it. That's why the issue was brought up. Nobody mentioned pelicans. They are not keeping anything in check. They are an invasive threat to our native wildlife. And it's not just birds. Native mammals, reptiles, and amphibians are also predated by cats. The health risks combined with the threat to our native wildlife should not be ignored.
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Johninaustin
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| Be careful if you have your own cats. You can bring home all sorts of diseases on your shoes. |
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topdog15
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| Johninaustin wrote: | | Be careful if you have your own cats. You can bring home all sorts of diseases on your shoes. |
If you have your own cats, odds are they'd already be in your home. Hence, the slim chance of bringing something home from your own cats (which are already in your home). Highly illogical, sir. (Insert Mr. Spock smiley)
A quick google search and ten minutes of reading on stray/feral cats and disease should be ample to illustrate the health risks I referred to in my first post.
With another ten minutes of research you could find a multitude of sources that attest to the negative impacts of cats on native ecosystems. I doubt you'll find one (excepting my crazy cat lady neighbor) that says the opposite.
And while we're on the topic of invasive species and their negative impacts on native habitats and wildlife ....what about pigs? No one will argue that they aren't destructive to native wildlife? Who among us doesn't take joy (disguised as pride) in ridding our land of these loathsome beasts? Who would argue that feral hogs are in some way "keeping the other species in check"? Ten more minutes if you have any doubts.
Since this is still a fishing forum (I think) let's use an ichthyological example....the story of the snakehead shows exactly what happens when a non-native predator is turned loose on indigenous populations unprepared to deal with the introduced threat. Bass, sunfish, catfish....all the species we hold valuable as fishermen fall prey to the snakehead. 10 more minutes on the interweb if you haven't heard this one.
Cats have been domesticated to live indoors. That is where they should be kept. There is the ever-present "cuddly" factor when talking about cats compared to other invasive species, but the truth remains. They are just as harmful as other introduced, non-native predators when allowed to interact with our native wildlife.
I'll close by saying this....if there were an introduced predator consuming billions of trout, redfish, and flounder each year, we would not be having this discussion. Because birds, small mammals, reptiles.....heck, native wildlife in general is not paramount to some, does not mean the issue is not of any importance.
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ReelBIGfish
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| Just to be clear. I generally hate cats and I wasn't worried about them at all. Just curious. The ironic thing is that I actually WAS thinking that some of them would be useful over by the packery jetties because that place is crawling with rats. However, I don't think it's useful enough that I would personally do anything about it. I was more worried about the lady feeding them to the cats. We need an apathy emoticon. haha |
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ltorna1
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Corpus is a birdy place and its pretty important that it is. Need proof? Talk to hotel owners and restaurant staff during Big Day or big time similar birding events. People come from all over the country to check out ourr birds, and not just the obvious spoonbills and whoopers, but the song birds too. Not to mention people make a living off of birds here. Talk to Tony Amos and Sandifer about their importance. Not only is it our native wildlife, but its something our city should be proud of that brings in money. Topdog hit the nail on the head here.
But like TD said, cats are cuddly. Its much more easy to point the finger at wind turbines killing birds (especially in the country of oil and natural gas) than our cuddly felines. Then again, cats don't kill falcons or other raptors...
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SaltyCuda
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| topdog15 wrote: | | Johninaustin wrote: | | Be careful if you have your own cats. You can bring home all sorts of diseases on your shoes. |
If you have your own cats, odds are they'd already be in your home. Hence, the slim chance of bringing something home from your own cats (which are already in your home). Highly illogical, sir. (Insert Mr. Spock smiley)
A quick google search and ten minutes of reading on stray/feral cats and disease should be ample to illustrate the health risks I referred to in my first post.
With another ten minutes of research you could find a multitude of sources that attest to the negative impacts of cats on native ecosystems. I doubt you'll find one (excepting my crazy cat lady neighbor) that says the opposite.
And while we're on the topic of invasive species and their negative impacts on native habitats and wildlife ....what about pigs? No one will argue that they aren't destructive to native wildlife? Who among us doesn't take joy (disguised as pride) in ridding our land of these loathsome beasts? Who would argue that feral hogs are in some way "keeping the other species in check"? Ten more minutes if you have any doubts.
Since this is still a fishing forum (I think) let's use an ichthyological example....the story of the snakehead shows exactly what happens when a non-native predator is turned loose on indigenous populations unprepared to deal with the introduced threat. Bass, sunfish, catfish....all the species we hold valuable as fishermen fall prey to the snakehead. 10 more minutes on the interweb if you haven't heard this one.
Cats have been domesticated to live indoors. That is where they should be kept. There is the ever-present "cuddly" factor when talking about cats compared to other invasive species, but the truth remains. They are just as harmful as other introduced, non-native predators when allowed to interact with our native wildlife.
I'll close by saying this....if there were an introduced predator consuming billions of trout, redfish, and flounder each year, we would not be having this discussion. Because birds, small mammals, reptiles.....heck, native wildlife in general is not paramount to some, does not mean the issue is not of any importance. |
Were you referring to Humans. Just sayin! |
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topdog15
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| Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2014 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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| SaltyCuda wrote: | | topdog15 wrote: | | Johninaustin wrote: | | Be careful if you have your own cats. You can bring home all sorts of diseases on your shoes. |
If you have your own cats, odds are they'd already be in your home. Hence, the slim chance of bringing something home from your own cats (which are already in your home). Highly illogical, sir. (Insert Mr. Spock smiley)
A quick google search and ten minutes of reading on stray/feral cats and disease should be ample to illustrate the health risks I referred to in my first post.
With another ten minutes of research you could find a multitude of sources that attest to the negative impacts of cats on native ecosystems. I doubt you'll find one (excepting my crazy cat lady neighbor) that says the opposite.
And while we're on the topic of invasive species and their negative impacts on native habitats and wildlife ....what about pigs? No one will argue that they aren't destructive to native wildlife? Who among us doesn't take joy (disguised as pride) in ridding our land of these loathsome beasts? Who would argue that feral hogs are in some way "keeping the other species in check"? Ten more minutes if you have any doubts.
Since this is still a fishing forum (I think) let's use an ichthyological example....the story of the snakehead shows exactly what happens when a non-native predator is turned loose on indigenous populations unprepared to deal with the introduced threat. Bass, sunfish, catfish....all the species we hold valuable as fishermen fall prey to the snakehead. 10 more minutes on the interweb if you haven't heard this one.
Cats have been domesticated to live indoors. That is where they should be kept. There is the ever-present "cuddly" factor when talking about cats compared to other invasive species, but the truth remains. They are just as harmful as other introduced, non-native predators when allowed to interact with our native wildlife.
I'll close by saying this....if there were an introduced predator consuming billions of trout, redfish, and flounder each year, we would not be having this discussion. Because birds, small mammals, reptiles.....heck, native wildlife in general is not paramount to some, does not mean the issue is not of any importance. |
Were you referring to Humans. Just sayin! |
HUH? 
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ChasinTails
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| Find a connection between stray cats and endangering sea turtles. I bet they ban cat in a heartbeat then!! |
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hickroots07
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| Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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| topdog15 wrote: | | Johninaustin wrote: | | Be careful if you have your own cats. You can bring home all sorts of diseases on your shoes. |
If you have your own cats, odds are they'd already be in your home. Hence, the slim chance of bringing something home from your own cats (which are already in your home). Highly illogical, sir. (Insert Mr. Spock smiley)
A quick google search and ten minutes of reading on stray/feral cats and disease should be ample to illustrate the health risks I referred to in my first post.
With another ten minutes of research you could find a multitude of sources that attest to the negative impacts of cats on native ecosystems. I doubt you'll find one (excepting my crazy cat lady neighbor) that says the opposite.
And while we're on the topic of invasive species and their negative impacts on native habitats and wildlife ....what about pigs? No one will argue that they aren't destructive to native wildlife? Who among us doesn't take joy (disguised as pride) in ridding our land of these loathsome beasts? Who would argue that feral hogs are in some way "keeping the other species in check"? Ten more minutes if you have any doubts.
Since this is still a fishing forum (I think) let's use an ichthyological example....the story of the snakehead shows exactly what happens when a non-native predator is turned loose on indigenous populations unprepared to deal with the introduced threat. Bass, sunfish, catfish....all the species we hold valuable as fishermen fall prey to the snakehead. 10 more minutes on the interweb if you haven't heard this one.
Cats have been domesticated to live indoors. That is where they should be kept. There is the ever-present "cuddly" factor when talking about cats compared to other invasive species, but the truth remains. They are just as harmful as other introduced, non-native predators when allowed to interact with our native wildlife.
I'll close by saying this....if there were an introduced predator consuming billions of trout, redfish, and flounder each year, we would not be having this discussion. Because birds, small mammals, reptiles.....heck, native wildlife in general is not paramount to some, does not mean the issue is not of any importance. |
I think this is a great example of why this needs to be addressed. It's more than a few cats down there. Last time I went down there I easily counted between 20 and 30.
I don't necessarily hate cats, don't really like them, but something needs to be done about it.
Very well put TD
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SaltyCuda
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| Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 10:45 am Post subject: |
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| topdog15 wrote: | | SaltyCuda wrote: | | topdog15 wrote: | | Johninaustin wrote: | | Be careful if you have your own cats. You can bring home all sorts of diseases on your shoes. |
If you have your own cats, odds are they'd already be in your home. Hence, the slim chance of bringing something home from your own cats (which are already in your home). Highly illogical, sir. (Insert Mr. Spock smiley)
A quick google search and ten minutes of reading on stray/feral cats and disease should be ample to illustrate the health risks I referred to in my first post.
With another ten minutes of research you could find a multitude of sources that attest to the negative impacts of cats on native ecosystems. I doubt you'll find one (excepting my crazy cat lady neighbor) that says the opposite.
And while we're on the topic of invasive species and their negative impacts on native habitats and wildlife ....what about pigs? No one will argue that they aren't destructive to native wildlife? Who among us doesn't take joy (disguised as pride) in ridding our land of these loathsome beasts? Who would argue that feral hogs are in some way "keeping the other species in check"? Ten more minutes if you have any doubts.
Since this is still a fishing forum (I think) let's use an ichthyological example....the story of the snakehead shows exactly what happens when a non-native predator is turned loose on indigenous populations unprepared to deal with the introduced threat. Bass, sunfish, catfish....all the species we hold valuable as fishermen fall prey to the snakehead. 10 more minutes on the interweb if you haven't heard this one.
Cats have been domesticated to live indoors. That is where they should be kept. There is the ever-present "cuddly" factor when talking about cats compared to other invasive species, but the truth remains. They are just as harmful as other introduced, non-native predators when allowed to interact with our native wildlife.
I'll close by saying this....if there were an introduced predator consuming billions of trout, redfish, and flounder each year, we would not be having this discussion. Because birds, small mammals, reptiles.....heck, native wildlife in general is not paramount to some, does not mean the issue is not of any importance. |
Were you referring to Humans. Just sayin! |
HUH? |
"if there were an introduced predator consuming billions of trout, redfish, and flounder each year"
Humans!
And I still say, a couple of cats under the causeway is no serious threat to the eco system at large. On the other hand, the crap we dump into our bay on a daily basis should be of much more concern. |
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Drake
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| Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 1:09 pm Post subject: Cats |
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Death by 1000 pin-pricks.... just like the litter.
We deal with 2 - 3 strays a week on the far south end of the island, cats and dogs. The strays and the litter are a problem. Disease, killing of native flora and fauna the litter they spread while foraging then multiply in the liters they give birth too and it is a BIG problem. Under the bridge (insert RHCP song), on the island or in town we all have a BIG problem.
Travel out of the area and one of the first things you will notice is the lack or strays and litter. Saying it is what it is just isn't going to cut it any longer. Realize it is a problem and try to do something to make it a little better is a great place to start.
Sorry, hit a nerve. |
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SaltyCuda
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| Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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If you want to discuss litter, we can certainly agree on this topic, we'll need to start a new thread as litter is not the issue here. It's cats.
Now people dropping off unwanted cats at the end of the island, that is a problem, I place humans who litter and humans who discard animals in the same catagory! (POS) If someone wants to do something positive about the abandonment of cats under the causeway, I'll join that effort and we can make a difference.
This is where I have a problem with this thread, sinceless killing of any creature because we don't want to deal with the real issue, that's a problem.
This is not the cat's fault, it's a human that needs their butt kicked fault.
And then there is the discussion about what is native and what is not. I say if you go back far enough you will learn the truth and like truth sometimes does, it's gonna hurt.
I don't dis-agree with TopDog as much as he might think, I understand completely where he is coming from. |
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hickroots07
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What about the senseless killing of lionfish? They might be the saltwater equivalent to feral cats. There are lots of similarities there.
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