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ROBDOG
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 Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:11 am Post subject: Anybody else get this CCA E-mail? |
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| Yesterday I was on the road all day but received an e-mail from CCA (looked legit). I was able to take a brief look at it. It was titled "Red Flag in the Gulf". Like I said I just scanned it planning on looking deeper into it later when I was in my office or home. I am going off memory, but it stated they "fisheries department I think" were considering making the limits on fish for guides different than recreational anglers. I know they are somewhat different now, but it stated the guides would have special privilages as far as seasons and limits go vs. recreational. I am sorry about the vagueness but I read it at a red light. I still have the e-mail from CCA but the body of the message is no longer there. It seems like maybe it was re-called. I know I can recall messages at work but I did not think you could do the on the internet? |
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Finsonpins
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:15 am Post subject: |
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| I got it also and the message is still showing up for me. |
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Rebecca of Sunnybrookfarm
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:27 am Post subject: Re: Anybody else get this CCA E-mail? |
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| ROBDOG wrote: | | I am sorry about the vagueness but I read it at a red light. |
no kidding. you might look into a little more, LOL
its about Sector Separation and Catch Shares in the GOM. CCA is opposed to this kind of allocation system, whereas a select few operators get a corner on the market. makes it harder to get into the market in the future (say, your son wants to become a commercial snapper fisherman) and it drives the price of fish up, lining a select few's pockets.
does NOTHING positive for the populations of snapper.
Becca
PS- here's the email, sorry the links don't work
What is happening in the Gulf of Mexico Fishery Management Council is big. Really big.
At first glance, it may not look like a big deal but it is a giveaway that is scarcely conceivable in the management of other natural resources. The Gulf Council is considering dividing recreational anglers into two sectors, those with their own boats and those who own charter and for-hire boats. The Council would then take some portion of the fish now given to all recreational anglers and literally give it away to a select few businesses operating those charter and for-hire boats to use as their own, however and whenever they wish.
And what would those businesses pay for this windfall? Nothing. What are the tangible conservation benefits of this course of action? Nothing.
The manner in which proponents and NOAA Fisheries staff have attempted to force through sector separation without the basis of real information on impacts that could affect our Gulf fishing for generations has drawn the opposition of the Congressional Sportsmen's Caucus. The CSC, with more than 300 members in the U.S. Congress, promotes and protects the rights of anglers and hunters and is one of many groups opposing this issue on behalf of Gulf Coast anglers
Sector separation is a bad idea, plain and simple. We need your help to beat it. A critical vote on sector separation could come as early as the next Gulf Council meeting, August 20-24 in New Orleans.
Please take a few moments and tell the Gulf Council to reject separation. It is important to defeat this measure now - we don't want to discover the details of a radical new federal program after it is approved.
Click HERE to send your message. |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:46 am Post subject: |
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I am not sure why my e-mail disappeared but I appreciate the info. Usually when I recieve one of these e-mails I just hop on corpusfishing to get the scoop. I was suprised no one had chimed in on it. I told you my interpretation was vague. That's all I could get from the red light in Freer where I read it.  |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 10:29 am Post subject: |
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I got one but haven't had the chance to look at it.
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Mad Dog
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:09 am Post subject: |
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My take is that with sector separation the alotted snapper catch for all recreational fishermen will be allocated between commercial operators like guides, charters and head boats, and then the rest of us. The allocations would be heavy to the commercial guys and less for us. This makes commercial operations more viable. It's good for them but I don't see how it helps the rest of us. Just more limitations to deal with. Here is a link to the CCA article http://www.joincca.org/articles/70
I may be wrong in my interpretation but it makes me sick just thinking about more regulations and how those are derived.
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Rebecca of Sunnybrookfarm
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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| ROBDOG wrote: | | was suprised no one had chimed in on it. |
I'm not. there's a lot of CCA haters on here.
| Mad Dog wrote: | The allocations would be heavy to the commercial guys and less for us. It's good for them but I don't see how it helps the rest of us.
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it doesn't help the PRIVATE recreationals at all. in fact it cuts our pie even smaller, and lets catch-for-hire (charter boats, NOT commercials - they're not part of this one, read it again) have more fish and fish when they want, outside of the 42 day season us recreationals get.
its a poke in the eye to a majority of the fisherman, folks like you and I, who pay the lions' share to play the game ($$'s generated through licenses, gas, boats, hotels, etc) and who are supposed to be happy and go along with with an ever-shrinking share of the pie.
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ThirdCoastStroker
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Rebecca of Sunnybrookfarm wrote: | | ROBDOG wrote: | | was suprised no one had chimed in on it. |
I'm not. there's a lot of CCA haters on here.
| Mad Dog wrote: | The allocations would be heavy to the commercial guys and less for us. It's good for them but I don't see how it helps the rest of us.
MD |
it doesn't help the PRIVATE recreationals at all. in fact it cuts our pie even smaller, and lets catch-for-hire (charter boats, NOT commercials - they're not part of this one, read it again) have more fish and fish when they want, outside of the 42 day season us recreationals get.
its a poke in the eye to a majority of the fisherman, folks like you and I, who pay the lions' share to play the game ($$'s generated through licenses, gas, boats, hotels, etc) and who are supposed to be happy and go along with with an ever-shrinking share of the pie.
becca |
You hit the nail on the head Becca! That is exactly how I interpreted it myself. As a bunch of bull poo poo for us "lowly" recreational fishermen, who spend money into the economy just as much if not more than the guys going on charters....DAMN GUBMINT!
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| Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 9:15 am Post subject: Commercial and Charter Boats |
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I'm not sure where to start. In my opinion CCA has always been against the for hire industry. It's also funny to me to have a conservation organization have a kill tournament ( STAR ). I do not snapper fish. I don't have the answer. It is a sticky situation. There is a big difference between commercial and charter boats. Charter boats fit into the recreational side of the equation ( catch shares ). Charter boat operators must have permits. Can't fish for state water snapper with permits assigned to their boat. Sector separation might help the charter boat industry by allowing them to fish for snapper when they want to fish for snapper. Out of the 40 day season , how many are actually fishable. Most people hiring a charter boat fish once a year. They spend money to get here, food,lodging,license,etc. The biggest problem as I see it is having the Federal Government in charge. The Government has been taking away peoples ways of living/life for a long time. Just a few thoughts right or wrong.
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Rebecca of Sunnybrookfarm
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| Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 10:19 am Post subject: Re: Commercial and Charter Boats |
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| captfrankie wrote: | | Just a few thoughts right or wrong. |
you've made some good points.
however, most of the feedback I get from gulf council insiders is that the Catch-for-hire (CFH) boat operators are trying to side more with the commercial guys, and distance themselves from the recreational guys. I see this as a mistake; I agree with you that CFH should be lumped as recreational. but it's a rare opinion we share Capt.
sector separation would indeed allow CFH boats to fish a more relaxed schedule, which is a pro. however, the con side is a dirty one indeed, as CFH boats would then "own" what is a public commodity. some CFH folks would be run out of the business, and some CFH owners would become rich off of what used to be a recreational piece of the pie.
as a recreational fisherman, you can see where my alliances are
I don't have the answer either, but section separation, as proposed, robs peter to give to paul.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 10:46 am Post subject: Re: Commercial and Charter Boats |
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| Rebecca of Sunnybrookfarm wrote: | | .. and some CFH owners would become rich off of what used to be a recreational piece of the pie. |
Given the current 51-49 split, and the fact that the rec 49% share gets gobbled up in WAY under 2 months, I'm having a hard time envisioning any CFH owner "becoming rich" on what would really amount to a handful of trips outside the existing season.
As far as them "owning" the public resource, how is this any different from the commercial guys and the IFQ program? The new sector would still have to have the appropriate permits which the average rec guy does not have to buy now.???
[Now, just so you know, I entirely agree with everything raised so far and personally think the idea is not a good one]. But....... knocking holes in another argument is easy, coming up with a solution is far tougher. |
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Good points. I wonder what the numbers look like for recreational snapper fishermen whose only way to get offshore is on a headboat versus private boat recreational snapper fishermen? Right now the headboats can't fish state waters and the private guys can or "say they are fishing state waters".
As CS says its easy to poke holes without coming up with solutions.
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| Rebecca of Sunnybrookfarm wrote: | | (charter boats, NOT commercials - they're not part of this one, read it again) |
No I read it right. I just used the generic term...
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OR perhaps, the state of Texas could develop some enormous brass balls, and take control off the waters out to 200 miles or so, and tell the feds at NMFS to stick it up their Supple Bum (I actually typed "supple bum", FYI).
Look at the volume of arguments on how to manage the Laguna from north to south differentlym, which is what? 80 miles x 3 miles or so?, but NMFS tries to manage the Entire gulf of mexico as a single entity? |
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mechdave
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It may be a moot point. With the removal of the last few mature rigs in the Gulf of Mexico NOAA will now be able to rightly say the American Red Snapper is WAY over-fished, sorry guys we will have to close it to fishing for a few years and see if the population can be rebuilt! 
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