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HUMAN GPS
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| i fish with my son and some s.o.b pulls a gun on me he better be ready ,because first rule is u shoot to kill .i am always packing and if i see someone walking my way first thing i do is stick my hand in my jacket so they now im prepared and ask state your buisnees .i never let them get near. i may over react but i dont trust anyone especaily if im with my son.thats just my opinon but it keeps me safe. |
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BishopRyan
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| Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:47 am Post subject: |
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| critter getter wrote: | | jsb91010 wrote: | | so are they pulling people over for no reason? |
No they r not pulling people over for no reason. |
They are pulling people over randomly without provocation through checkpoints. I've been stopped with up to date stickers and wearing a seat belt. I was asked to show proof of insurance and a current license and then sent on my way.
This is in fact "for no reason" or without probable cause. They're citing the fact that a large portion of CC is uninsured. To justify the random stops and lack of probable cause they call it an initiative. "Police continued their zero tolerance no insurance initiative".
I'm not saying its a horrible thing but I can see why people would. The same goes for no refusal blood draws. Depending on perception they do violate your civil rights.
| Quote: | | Police last week issued a zero-tolerance policy for uninsured drivers and said they would be conducting checkpoints randomly throughout the year to verify proof of insurance and driver |
| Quote: | | The department has conducted the random driver's license checkpoints throughout the city since January. |
| Quote: | | Police said they will continue conducting license check points throughout the city this year and drivers are encouraged to have proof of insurance in their vehicle. |
| Quote: | | Police say the random checkpoints will continue and motorists should be prepared to show their driver's licenses and insurance. With a new impound lot opening in August, Capt. Jerry Vesely said police will increase the frequency of checkpoints. |
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SaltyCuda
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| Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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| BishopRyan wrote: | | critter getter wrote: | | jsb91010 wrote: | | so are they pulling people over for no reason? |
No they r not pulling people over for no reason. |
They are pulling people over randomly without provocation through checkpoints. I've been stopped with up to date stickers and wearing a seat belt. I was asked to show proof of insurance and a current license and then sent on my way.
This is in fact "for no reason" or without probable cause. They're citing the fact that a large portion of CC is uninsured. To justify the random stops and lack of probable cause they call it an initiative. "Police continued their zero tolerance no insurance initiative".
I'm not saying its a horrible thing but I can see why people would. The same goes for no refusal blood draws. Depending on perception they do violate your civil rights.
| Quote: | | Police last week issued a zero-tolerance policy for uninsured drivers and said they would be conducting checkpoints randomly throughout the year to verify proof of insurance and driver |
| Quote: | | The department has conducted the random driver's license checkpoints throughout the city since January. |
| Quote: | | Police said they will continue conducting license check points throughout the city this year and drivers are encouraged to have proof of insurance in their vehicle. |
| Quote: | | Police say the random checkpoints will continue and motorists should be prepared to show their driver's licenses and insurance. With a new impound lot opening in August, Capt. Jerry Vesely said police will increase the frequency of checkpoints. |
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Excellent!!!
Glad to see the PD is doing something about the problems. Violating Civil Rights on occasion to protect the rest of us from creatons! I can live with it... I want to send my thanks to the chief for his efforts.
Driving is a privilege, not a right. When you jump in your car you are in control of a very large and extremely deadly weapon.
I have over the years in this city been hit by folks driving without a license and or insurance, just last year I was a victim ofhit and run that did severe damage to my 2 week old truck and left me dazed for a few minutes. I'd bet the creaton was guilty of something, lack of insurance, warrants, drugs, drunk or no license. |
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BishopRyan
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Joined: 11 Jul 2011
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Location: Corpus Christi
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| Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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| SaltyCuda wrote: | | BishopRyan wrote: | | critter getter wrote: | | jsb91010 wrote: | | so are they pulling people over for no reason? |
No they r not pulling people over for no reason. |
They are pulling people over randomly without provocation through checkpoints. I've been stopped with up to date stickers and wearing a seat belt. I was asked to show proof of insurance and a current license and then sent on my way.
This is in fact "for no reason" or without probable cause. They're citing the fact that a large portion of CC is uninsured. To justify the random stops and lack of probable cause they call it an initiative. "Police continued their zero tolerance no insurance initiative".
I'm not saying its a horrible thing but I can see why people would. The same goes for no refusal blood draws. Depending on perception they do violate your civil rights.
| Quote: | | Police last week issued a zero-tolerance policy for uninsured drivers and said they would be conducting checkpoints randomly throughout the year to verify proof of insurance and driver |
| Quote: | | The department has conducted the random driver's license checkpoints throughout the city since January. |
| Quote: | | Police said they will continue conducting license check points throughout the city this year and drivers are encouraged to have proof of insurance in their vehicle. |
| Quote: | | Police say the random checkpoints will continue and motorists should be prepared to show their driver's licenses and insurance. With a new impound lot opening in August, Capt. Jerry Vesely said police will increase the frequency of checkpoints. |
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Excellent!!!
Glad to see the PD is doing something about the problems. Violating Civil Rights on occasion to protect the rest of us from creatons! I can live with it... I want to send my thanks to the chief for his efforts.
Driving is a privilege, not a right. When you jump in your car you are in control of a very large and extremely deadly weapon.
I have over the years in this city been hit by folks driving without a license and or insurance, just last year I was a victim ofhit and run that did severe damage to my 2 week old truck and left me dazed for a few minutes. I'd bet the creaton was guilty of something, lack of insurance, warrants, drugs, drunk or no license. |
One of the things I would love to see is some kind of mandatory retesting or continued education to renew your DL. Its hard to believe that you test once at the age of 16 and nothing more. With as many wrecks and traffic violations causing injury that we see daily it only makes sense that your renewal be attached to some kind of continuing validation.
Maybe a retest at age 21-30-40-50 and then maybe every 5 years after that. 55-60-65... |
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mike3887
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| Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with driver's license recertifications...very good idea.
Law enforcement is afforded the right to stop anyone to check for a current and valid driver's license. That's actually the only thing you can be stopped for with no other probable cause. Texas doesn't even allow DWI checkpoints. As far as mandatory blood draws, they are constitutional because the person is already under arrest for an offense and evidence is present in their body. A search warrant is required for blood draws in order to gather the evidence.
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BishopRyan
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| Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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| mike3887 wrote: | I agree with driver's license recertifications...very good idea.
Law enforcement is afforded the right to stop anyone to check for a current and valid driver's license. That's actually the only thing you can be stopped for with no other probable cause. Texas doesn't even allow DWI checkpoints. As far as mandatory blood draws, they are constitutional because the person is already under arrest for an offense and evidence is present in their body. A search warrant is required for blood draws in order to gather the evidence. |
I'm not surprised to hear that about the DL stops. I didn't know the specifics thanks for the info. There are always going to be ways to work the verbiage. I was once arrested for public intoxication on private property simply for stating that I wanted to go home. Anything is possible.
The argument is really centered on cause. The arrest itself based on suspicion that something may exist without actual evidence in the case of someone who would potentially not exhibit any signs of intoxication but still has their person violated.
Forcible invasion of a persons body is unconstitutional per se.
I shouldn't have to fear being violated based strictly on the loose opinion of another. I'm not arguing for those who have failed field sobriety test or breathalyzers either.
The other debt which may or may not even be a legitimate issue...
| Quote: | | The vast majority of the police officers calling themselves phlebotomists are not graduates of a full phlebotomy program and certainly cannot be considered medical personnel. ... While these police 'phlebotomists' are performing an invasive medical procedure, their first concern is not for the safety of the blood draw subject, but gathering evidence." |
The problem can easily be debated from both sides. Each year it becomes increasingly difficult to police society and each year the the general public sees their civil liberties goal posts moved back. Its tough for an individual to reconcile being violated as a result of an inability to effective police a society.
The easy response is don't drink and drive and you'll never have to worry about it but that's not always the case. I have had a family member who had blood drawn against their will and they were sober. Those kind of examples aren't very encouraging but I assume (I have to) that there are plenty of good examples of bad guys taken off the streets as a result.
...and don't get me wrong, I don't mean to be argumentative. I respect the difficulty of your jobs and how hard it is to deal with the general public as an authority figure. |
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jebsays
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| Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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| mike3887 wrote: | I agree with driver's license recertifications...very good idea.
Law enforcement is afforded the right to stop anyone to check for a current and valid driver's license. That's actually the only thing you can be stopped for with no other probable cause. Texas doesn't even allow DWI checkpoints. As far as mandatory blood draws, they are constitutional because the person is already under arrest for an offense and evidence is present in their body. A search warrant is required for blood draws in order to gather the evidence. |
Mandatory recertification seems to be a solution in search of a problem and just another bureaucratic mess. The program is actually already incentivized through insurance discounts, is it not? While I believe in the value of ongoing/continued education, it seems that this punishes those who are responsible and does very little to punish those who aren't.
A more adequate solution would seem to be mandatory driver reeducation associated with the state implemented Driver Responsibility Program, either for each incident resulting in points or if you've fallen into the penalty assessment part of the program. As of now, and correct me if I'm wrong, it's just a cash cow for the state for drivers whom fall into the penalty portion of the program. They do not have any mandatory reeducation requirements -- just a monetary penalty to keep your license.
As for law enforcement being afforded the right to stop anyone at any time to check for a valid license... well, it doesn't sound like they need the specific right to set up DWI, Insurance, or any other kind of check point. The right to stop to check for a valid license sounds like carte blanche access to any one driving a motor vehicle at any time? |
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jebsays
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flounderjig
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| I agree the problem of uninsured drivers is here and has been for several years. Some of these individuals are illegals or low lifes. As has been said before, an individual who gives up some freedom for security deserves neither. The police state is here and now. |
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SaltyCuda
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| Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 9:01 am Post subject: |
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"an individual who gives up some freedom for security deserves neither. The police state is here and now."
Interesting bunch we are!
We don't like the PD when they attepmt to cleanup a problem that nobody denies existance. (typically more harm on the streets)
On the other hand we be-friend the Fish Cops who pull us over (and sometimes board our boats) for absolutely no reason what-so-ever... (typically less harm on the water)
We want to carry (and some want open carry) and yet we don't want anyone to get shot, not even the bad guys... (typically it's the bad guy doing the shooting)
Very interesting bunch we are.  |
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HRod2222
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| Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 9:57 am Post subject: |
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paranoia...so if fisherman are getting robbed at certain locations at certain times....hmmmmm, guess I won't be fishing those areas. there are plenty of other locations to catch. besides I'm not that mad at fish to put myself or family in harms way. no fishing reel, rod, or tackle is worth a bullet. nothing good comes from retaliation but a bruised ego and grieving family.
that being said, once given the opportunity aim 2 to the chest and 2 to the head.if the enemy runs and hides proceed with caution...they will only die tired.
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wallhanger
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| Seems that some are in search of their own perfect little world. Police please catch the bad guys but dont bother me doing it, whatever. Even if they randomly pull me over for me to prove I have what im supposed to its worth it. I shouldnt complain if im not breaking laws and they are attempting to make things safer for me. Makes me sick when you see these idiots on youtube refusing to provide identification when they think they've done nothing wrong. Just frikin do it. What do you have to hide? Its not harrassment. Random searches turn up criminals and thats a good thing. If im checkedi look at it like they are out and active to make it safer for all of us. GO CCPD! |
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Stinger-A
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| Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:55 am Post subject: |
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X2 Wallhanger. Unfortunately some people don't agree with the random stops, but I'll bet they are the same people that with blame the police or cry for the police when a criminal gets through. All the people I've encountered that were anti-police/government all seem to have something to hide or something to prove(i.e family member in jail, or showing off for thier lady). IMHO
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BishopRyan
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| Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:57 am Post subject: |
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| wallhanger wrote: | | Seems that some are in search of their own perfect little world. Police please catch the bad guys but dont bother me doing it, whatever. Even if they randomly pull me over for me to prove I have what im supposed to its worth it. I shouldnt complain if im not breaking laws and they are attempting to make things safer for me. Makes me sick when you see these idiots on youtube refusing to provide identification when they think they've done nothing wrong. Just frikin do it. What do you have to hide? Its not harrassment. Random searches turn up criminals and thats a good thing. If im checkedi look at it like they are out and active to make it safer for all of us. GO CCPD! |
Its not a matter of a perfect world and yes there are many instances of harassment. I certainly see where you are coming from but the point is, where does it end. There has to be a line in the sand somewhere. Once you give the okay to violate your privacy in one area it will certainly lead to violations across the board. Its a situation that deserves consideration from both sides. I've been pretty accepting of the random stops and for the reasons you and others here have given. I do see value there
but...
Its starts with just asking you for your ID and insurance which has led to illegal search and seizures of or within the automobile. Illegal vehicle searches are all too common. I've had family members with up to date DL and ins. have their tools taken by officers. Reason? Because screw drivers, pry bars and hammers are weapons. And no they did not get their tools back. And no there is not more to the story. I've had a 200 dollar Savinelli pipe (along with 4 other lesser valued pipes) taken out of my vehicle because the officer "presumed" that it was used to smoke illegal drugs. Yes I did get it back but it should never have been taken from me in the first place. I buy/sell/trade with local antique shops not use drugs. I also smoke tobacco which is perfectly legal. This is why I no longer consent to vehicle searches.
Not to make a far reaching assumption but these kind of instances lead to what? Random home inspections? Random neighborhood sweeps? I can see a no refusal neighborhood sweep in our future. After all we cannot refuse our own blood to be drawn based on what-ifs and assumptions. So how far off are we from seeing officers begin sweeping neighborhoods regularly, rifling through your personal belongs confiscating your private property on a whim. Entering your home without provocation or warrant. Seizing what they please.
There is a lot more to it than a bunch of douchebags who just want to play hardball with the law. There's a reason privacy laws have been in place for centuries. To protect us from overreaching authority. |
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BishopRyan
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| Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:03 am Post subject: |
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| Stinger-A wrote: | All the people I've encountered that were anti-police/government all seem to have something to hide or something to prove(i.e family member in jail, or showing off for thier lady). IMHO
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Unfortunately I don't agree with this at all. If you can't reconcile the thousands of illegal search, seizures and confiscations then its time to wake up and realize there's a lot more to it than just friendly stops and people with something to hide.
Go beyond an extremist perspective. People who wish to protect their privacy laws aren't all criminals. This coming from someone who generally accepts the random auto stops. |
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