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Red Tide in Upper Laguna

 
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Capt Mike Singleterry
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 12:33 pm    Post subject: Red Tide in Upper Laguna Reply with quote

Looks like the Red Tide has made its way through the Packery Channel and is now in the upper reaches of the Laguna. Deb and I went to town a few minutes ago and saw the red stuff from the ICW intersection of Packery to around halfway to the BoatHole along the causeway northside.
There is also Red tide on the southside of the causeway in the Shrimper Channel from the intersection of the ICW.
Looks like there are a number of dead fish along the Packery Channel east of the Kennedy Bridge.
Redtide would not have been there if Packery hadn't given it a way to get in. Twisted Evil Evil or Very Mad Mad Mad
That really just pisses me off.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

went fishing this mornin,didnt really smell it or see it,but once i got home,throat got sore,lips burned,kinda dumb for a few trout.oh yeah,i was behind gunderlands
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

that sucks we are supposed to get cooler temps next week maybe it will kill it
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not to get heavy with science terms, but what helps bring an end to red tide, cooler temps? Or is there more of a cycle it goes through before it dies or goes away?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the report.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To bad they don't have gates at the bridge they can close for something like RT.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fishaddict wrote:
To bad they don't have gates at the bridge they can close for something like RT.

Marshall

yep a set of locks sure could have helped stop it from coming in the bays. I'm selling all of my offshore stuff. i guess mite as well sale all of it and take up something else. all the bays need now is a realy cold winter with a hard freeze. that will do us in for sure.

i'm so ready to move
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having slept at a Holiday Inn last night, I'm not sure if what is coming in through Packery Channel is what is spreading "red tide" rather what is flowing out such as nitrates, phosphates etc. and higher water temperatures. My.02
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let me explain a bit here as to why I too don't like jetties.

Shoreline location changes through out time due base level, sediment supply, longshore current, orogenic events (mountain building), and accommodation space (basin filling in and or subsiding). So melting ice bergs don't change sea level.

Currently the deposition of sediment from the Mississipi river is pushed further out into the Gulf of Mexico due to the man-made levee system. Sediment deposited further into the basin is the culprit of land loss of the Louisiana coast line, perhaps even Texas, which is why we use Jetties to 'keep' our beaches in place (taking advantage of longshore current). So, yes I don't like jetties.




Red tide on the other hand is understood as a 'brew' of organisms that feed off from each other and continue to grow with the right conditions, perhaps warmer less windy conditions, which may be why we're seeing it this year. At times I'm confused as to decide if its summer or fall right now since its nearly November and we haven't had a true cold snap yet.

Here's a few sites that may shed light on understanding red tides.

http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/landwater/water/environconcerns/hab/redtide/faq.phtml

http://www.cdc.gov/hab/redtide/about.htm[/url]

http://start1.org/red-tide/

http://woodshole.er.usgs.gov/operations/modeling/wgulf/wgulf.html
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

larry meinert wrote:
Having slept at a Holiday Inn last night, I'm not sure if what is coming in through Packery Channel is what is spreading "red tide" rather what is flowing out such as nitrates, phosphates etc. and higher water temperatures. My.02


I think the point Capt. Mike has been trying to make is that without Packery Channel the red tide would not be able to make it from the beach into the ULM. He's not suggesting that nutrients or anything else are coming through to spread the bloom. Just that the channel allows the bloom into the bay. Without Packery, PA is the closest channel and although it may still possibly make it to the laguna, it would be a much larger distance for the bloom to travel.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was out yesterday and saw some dead fish floating. I launched at billings saw only one small bloom in the icw. Caught plenty of fish and didnt notice any burning or breathing symptons. I fished only north of the jfk
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

topdog15 wrote:
larry meinert wrote:
Having slept at a Holiday Inn last night, I'm not sure if what is coming in through Packery Channel is what is spreading "red tide" rather what is flowing out such as nitrates, phosphates etc. and higher water temperatures. My.02


I think the point Capt. Mike has been trying to make is that without Packery Channel the red tide would not be able to make it from the beach into the ULM. He's not suggesting that nutrients or anything else are coming through to spread the bloom. Just that the channel allows the bloom into the bay. Without Packery, PA is the closest channel and although it may still possibly make it to the laguna, it would be a much larger distance for the bloom to travel.



Thank You Aaron......sometimes maybe I don't explain myself very well or maybe think that everyone understands where the red tide is born and how it travels.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

you did call it mike just a few weeks ago you said redtide would enter the laguna through packery
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was wondering what is actually safe to eat so my wife emailed Meridith Byrd about it. We were also wondering about blue crabs, safe or not. Meridith is the TPWD red tide specialist. Here is what she said.

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Yes, we have a FAQ page where fish consumption is one of the issues addressed. Basically, the brevetoxin is not absorbed into the meat of crabs, shrimp or fish, so they are safe to eat. The toxin accumulates in the organs. In fact, the only recorded case of people getting sick from eating fish caught during a red tide were an immigrant family who ate the entire fish (rather than just the fillet) and became ill. Filter-feeding shellfish (oysters, clams, whelks, etc) are the ones you need to avoid.



I just got a report this morning of heavy aerosols and lots of red tide in East Matagorda Bay. I know it is still affecting the Freeport area as well. As of last week people were feeling aerosol effects on the beaches of Matagorda Bay Nature Park. The only stretches of beach that are unaffected at this time are from Galveston to the Louisiana border. The rest of the coast is being affected by the red tide in some way
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Capt Mike Singleterry wrote:
topdog15 wrote:
larry meinert wrote:
Having slept at a Holiday Inn last night, I'm not sure if what is coming in through Packery Channel is what is spreading "red tide" rather what is flowing out such as nitrates, phosphates etc. and higher water temperatures. My.02


I think the point Capt. Mike has been trying to make is that without Packery Channel the red tide would not be able to make it from the beach into the ULM. He's not suggesting that nutrients or anything else are coming through to spread the bloom. Just that the channel allows the bloom into the bay. Without Packery, PA is the closest channel and although it may still possibly make it to the laguna, it would be a much larger distance for the bloom to travel.


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Thank You Aaron......sometimes maybe I don't explain myself very well or maybe think that everyone understands where the red tide is born and how it travels.

Mike

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As to eating crabs during a red tide event.............unless I was starving, I'd just cook something else at the house and wait on the crabs. Actually, I wouldn't eat anything caught in a bloom of algae that is producing a toxin that kills everything it contacts. Very Happy
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