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ironmanstan
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I just like making one trip to catch my 10 trout. I guess there are those who enjoy making 5 or 6 trips to catch 5 trout.  If you think about it , it's really good for the economy.
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sambo
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| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 12:10 pm Post subject: I thought Trout went extinct |
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I thought Trout went extinct and only HardHeads were left in the ocean and bays:D
Make it 5 and keep the fisheries alive, and maybe then I might catch one:)
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oldsaltyone
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| I'm confused. Everything I have read on TPWD web sites point to the problem being only in Aransas and San Antonio bay areas. On their FAQ page it states positively that trout are NOT overfished. I want my grandson to have plenty of trout to catch just like I have, but to cut the limit in half now doesn't seem to make sense. Whatever happened to the 16" minimum/7 bag limit that was proposed several years ago? Why wouldn't that work now? |
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ltorna1
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| oldsaltyone wrote: | | On their FAQ page it states positively that trout are NOT overfished. |
Thats funny that it says that on their FAQ page. This is the last part on the TPWD Spotted Seatrout species page:
T"he spotted seatrout, commonly called speckled trout, is one of the most popular sport fish along the Texas coast. Its abundance, willingness to hit natural and artificial baits, and fine eating qualities make the species extremely popular with anglers. It has been commercially harvested in all the states bordering the Gulf of Mexico. However, a decline in harvest of spotted seatrout in recent years caused Alabama and Texas to close commercial fishing of the species. The decline in the seatrout catch is linked to destruction of seagrass beds and over-fishing. In Texas, the record spotted seatrout caught was 33.75 inches (85.7 cm) and 13 pounds 9 ounces (about 6 kg). "
Contradiction? And also, can it be? No! Say it ain't so. Not the desctruction of seagrasses? And how do we destroy seagrass you might ask....you guessed it - powerboat prop scars! You mean...the Trout-limits thread and the WPP thread are merging??  Who is behind this!!! You know what, lets just tie all of our controversial threads together. I really think we need to tie in deepwater horizon and climate change into the discussion. But seriously, I think this dead horse has been beat... 
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ironmanstan
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Wow that's great news. The old schooler's such as Doug Bird and other's used to blame it on the commercial fishermen, thats so funny. Now they just have to look in the mirror and see the reason for the decline. They forced the commercial fisherman out of business because they couldn't catch a fish. They still can't catch any fish that should be a sign to give it up. Go play golf or tinker toys or something.
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oldsaltyone
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Central Scrutinizer
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| oldsaltyone wrote: | Check out #3. Yes, I'm still confused.  |
{if you are looking to follow the above link, remove the extra period after the phtml, otherwise you get an error message}
But if you REALLY want to be confused, wrap your head in duct-tape (so that way it won't explode) and check out the following passage:
From NMFS, and I quote: “When a fish stock is being fished at a fishing mortality rate that exceeds the overfishing threshold set by the National Marine Fisheries Service”, then overfishing is officially occurring. Furthermore, NMFS says “When the size of a fish stock is smaller than the sustainable target set by the National Marine Fisheries Service,” then that stock is considered overfished.
Now, can you have a stock that is not overfished, yet overfishing is currently occurring? As the Three Stooges would say, CERTAINLY!!!
Notice the subtle difference in the terms (and no, they really can't be used inter-changeably)? But what is most telling is that each of these definitions rests on threshold levels that are set by statistically modeling - although to their credit {or by reproach from Congress in the face of failure after noticeable failure}, these threshold points are slowing being replaced by Biological Control Points for the determination of stock assessments. 
WHEW!!! Now I'm off for some Tylenol before my head bursts. |
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Fish0157
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| NMFS also says there are no Red Snapper left in the Gulf yet people can't NOT catch them.. |
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sambo
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| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 7:57 pm Post subject: Too many? |
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If you have to freeze them then you have kept to many. I say raise the size to 17 and limit to 5.
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TroutSlayer
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| oldsaltyone wrote: | | I'm confused. Everything I have read on TPWD web sites point to the problem being only in Aransas and San Antonio bay areas. On their FAQ page it states positively that trout are NOT overfished. I want my grandson to have plenty of trout to catch just like I have, but to cut the limit in half now doesn't seem to make sense. Whatever happened to the 16" minimum/7 bag limit that was proposed several years ago? Why wouldn't that work now? |
On the audio segment of the meeting the comments are "they are getting fewer calls" regarding the supposed problem bays and their studies are showing "record" numbers of juvenile and pre-legal trout in those same bays. Mother nature has more to say about trout populations than any other factor...period. Fishing pressure has remained constant over the past 10 years with a slight decline in the last 2.
What really concerns me is what is happening in Mansfield where the limit is five...throw out the fact that numbers have not increased and consider the number touted by limit reduction advocates. They are now catching on average fish 1 inch larger than before. Sounds great right? Wrong!! What is going on is since you can only keep 5 fishermen are culling their stringers and keeping bigger fish. The mortality of the culled fish is a real problem and TPWD attributes this practice to what is happening there.
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Shalor
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| Numerous studies from tournaments and other people fishing for trout have shown their survival rate is greater than 90% when released...the main factor being if they swallow the hook or get hooked in the gills. So yes if you catch 20 little trout, you may kill 2...but I think that is better than killing 10 breeding size trout. I have hopes that Baffin/ULM will return to its glory day of the late 90's within 5 years if they drop the limit to 5...yes I know that there are still lots of undersize to barely keeper trout left but I think most people who have fished the areas since the 90's will tell you it's alot harder to catch big trout than it use to be. Just my 2 cents. |
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lil-red-hunter14
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| 5 is just fine... Back home in Louisiana the trout limit is 15 per person! And they have no problem catching that many! |
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| lil-red-hunter14 wrote: | | 5 is just fine... Back home in Louisiana the trout limit is 15 per person! And they have no problem catching that many! |
When was it reduced? I thought it was 25...and no matter what anyone says...a 12" trout is about as good as it gets to eat.
When I head back home to fish, my dad and I only keep 16-20" redfish for table fare...they're MUCH better to eat than the bigger ones.
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Stump
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| Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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Reduce the size limit to 12", so some of the males are kept for table fare. Keep the trout limits as they are (10) and add two to the Redfish limit, bringing it back to 5. Increasing the Redfish limit would take pressure off of the trout fishery (sounds good anyway).
This push to reduce our trout limits is the direct influence of trophy trout fishermen (IMO). I pursue trophy trout, but also like to eat trout.
I don't know why the professional fishermen (trophy trout guides) are not voicing their opinion on this subject. We all know who they are and a few I would consider friends. It's your push....speak up!
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TroutSlayer
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| Shalor wrote: | | Numerous studies from tournaments and other people fishing for trout have shown their survival rate is greater than 90% when released...the main factor being if they swallow the hook or get hooked in the gills. So yes if you catch 20 little trout, you may kill 2...but I think that is better than killing 10 breeding size trout. I have hopes that Baffin/ULM will return to its glory day of the late 90's within 5 years if they drop the limit to 5...yes I know that there are still lots of undersize to barely keeper trout left but I think most people who have fished the areas since the 90's will tell you it's alot harder to catch big trout than it use to be. Just my 2 cents. |
That's all good and fine except they are not being immediately released. Listen to the audio. They are being strung or worse thrown in the ice chest then culled only after something bigger is caught. Think about it. Only five and meat fishermen are going to dump small in favor of large. Not saying it is right just that it is a reality with 5 in mansfield right now.
Also look at the gill net study numbers for Baffin....I don't want to go BACK to the 90s...up and down years but an upward trend since then.
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