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crhfish · Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 5:21 pm Post subject:

The dumbest thing about the global warming "discussion" is that almost all of the changes supporters would like us to make to reduce warming could be argued to help eliminate our dependance on foreign oil. For some reason they (the global warming supporters) don't want to go there. I can't figure out if its the patriotic stance that bothers them or just what it is.

When you say it is what it is, I have to disagree with that a little. The root of the problem with all of the studies is the lack of data and inconsistent data as you go back in time. The farther we go back the more "guessing" there is. This leads to folks reading tree ring growth and interpreting temperatures. Remember we are talking about tenths of degree's in most of these studies.

I remember when I was young reading about how scientists in the middle ages had to be careful when they brought up subjects like the earth being round and the earth not being the center of the universe. At the time, it struck me as something that was hard to believe, that someone with a different view on a subject, could not speak up. I figured incorrectly that something like that could never happen in our lifetime. Boy was I wrong. I thought science is supposed to embrace questioning and testing of the theory, what ever it is. Guess not...

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I guess you haven't see nthis one either:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/local/Former-NASA-climate-scientist-pleads-guilty-to-contract-fraud-8613137-78268862.html

"A former top climate scientist who had become of one the scientific world's most cited authorities on the human effect on Earth's atmosphere was sentenced to probation Tuesday after pleading guilty to steering lucrative no-bid contracts to his wife's company."

"If you can't do for family...

Schoeberl's help to his wife's firm

» Convinced colleagues to approve $20,000 appropriation in 2004

» Wrote no-bid justification after $60,000 contract awarded

» Wife's firm won $190,000 in no-bid contracts between fiscal 2006 and 2008"

FYI - Al Gore owns a huge stack in a carbon credit company. So if Cap-n-tex passes he stands to make a huge amount of money doing nothing but sitting around smoking his pipe in his house that uses the equivalent of 20 normal homes.

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54528

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=22663

So he is either a hypocrit or he is a confidence man.

bubba747 · Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 6:41 pm Post subject:

Man thats what I love about this place. Someone makes a simple maybe even silly comment and it gets blown way out of preportion by someone wanting to be politically correct. Hell it's all for fun boy's set back and enjoy the ride.
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ltorna1 · Full Grown Flour Bluffian Joined: 17 Apr 2009 Posts: 3240

Sucks for him, scientific reputation suffers now too. Big John you are SPOT ON dude, that is some dirty crap right there.
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crhfish · Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 8:42 pm Post subject:

It would be better to sell green on the FACT that if we do certain things, we will reduce our dependance on foreign oil than to try and sell it on a theory set up with interpreted data that will eventually be proven as false as the flat earth theory.

Yes, the data is interpreted. I've looked at allot of tree rings in my day and I've never seen a written temp anywhere. The thing that really kills me is that the Environmental movement may get set back many years if it can be proven that the data was manipulated.

I think the rest of my post is fairly clear. No point in discussing this any further. For the believers its their religion.

landlocked beachbum · Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 8:55 pm Post subject:

"The CO2 came from the abundance of plants growing in the warm climate"
Not sure I follow you here."

THIS is what I said: "The CO2 came from the abundance of plants growing in the warm climate and vulcanism while the methane came mostly from the latter". Notice the AND VULCANISM. If you are going to quote me at least use the whole quote instead of taking things out of context. I will admit that I was wrong about the CO2 coming from the plants, my fingers outran my brain. I meant to say that the high OXYGEN level came from all of the plant life [again, terrestrial and aquatic] that was made possible by the high CO2 levels AND the very warm temps caused by it and the methane. My apologies on that one.

I also said "the majority" as far as going with the flow. So who's really getting defensive here? Not me! Wink

It's common knowledge [to me at least] that there are more followers than leaders in humanity, hence "the majority".

Think what you will my friend, call my statements assinine, that too bothers me not. Cool

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rick sanders · Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 11:48 pm Post subject:

To settle a lot of this go here: http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/ice_ages.html

ltorna1 · Full Grown Flour Bluffian Joined: 17 Apr 2009 Posts: 3240

Ahh good ole Monte Hieb resurfaces again. This guy cracks me up. Works for the coal industry I believe.
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landlocked beachbum · Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 8:23 am Post subject:

http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-7715-Portland-Civil-Rights-Examiner~y2009m11d24-Global-warming-corruption-and-unethical-scientists

Watch the WHOLE video and try to listen with an open mind. I's a damning case against the man made climate change or "global warming" scientists and PROOF that historical climate data HAS BEEN and IS BEING changed to reflect what this group wants us to believe!

In the text, please note reason #1. It's mostly about the money, just as with my scientist friend[s] down in New Orleans that I spoke of. They worship at the alter of the government grant and will basically do what it takes to keep the grant money coming in. That's bad enough, but the crap described in the video and in the article makes this one item look like Captain Kangaroo stuff!!!!!!!!!!!!! Shocked

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Bluffer · Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 10:06 am Post subject:

LOL.

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paulj4400 · Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 1:22 pm Post subject:

Can't get better proof than that
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stxoutdoors · Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 1:28 pm Post subject:

well for the short amout of time that i been alive its been hot... but it dont seem to be gettin hotter or colder .... my dad says its the same climate an grandpa say the same ... not hotter or colder just the same for the last 80 years... yeah its nice to be enviromentaly friendly but u dont have to go and scare the crap outta sensitive ppl and make them wanna go green cause the world is gonna burn up...please gimme a break..
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