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[landlocked beachbum]

It's snowing in Houston y'all, the earliest in recorded history and may reach 1"!!!!!!!!!!!!

So much for Al Gore and the global warming morons!
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[ltorna1]

You must be a scientist.
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[Chef Lefty]

Finally coming out that the (air quotes here) "Global Warming" research is a bunch of made up you know what.
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[ltorna1]

Not exactly, its finally coming out that a handful of people behind the scenes were a bunch of Effin $@%$, and were trying to exagerrate the interpretation of the data. But if you read the actual journal articles, the primary literature, it doesn't change a thing. Its manipulation came in when you try to mix politics with science.

The data about global climate change (*not global warming) is what it is. Put Al Gore and the scummers who were behind the scenes making scientists look bad aside for a minute. Take the politics out of the equation. The temperature of the earth is fluctuating, and it may be out of the "normal range" of fluctuations. Their are about 100 hypothesized causes for this, and neither YOU nor I have enough scientific background to say any of them are crap or have merit.

So, snow in Houston is not evidence for or against global climate change. Sorry dude. You saying that is like the equivalent of somebody in Alaska saying that global warming is happening because they have a record high temperature one day of the year. It doesn't happen like that, and you know it. Beachbum, you are much smarter then that, and you know better to use snow in houston as evidence against climate change. Come on dude? I know you don't believe in climate change but to make statements like that is only making you look less intelligent than you really are man, either that or you just like stirring the pot Furthermore, it could snow in Cozumel or be 100 degrees tomorrow in Patagonia and it wouldn't be evidence for or against global climate change. The real evidence is in long term change. Think what you want, believe what you'd like.

Its unfortunate that all this crap is happening right now, not because its going to foil some jerks political agenda, but because it may change the way people think about our environment. If the lesson that everyone gets out of this is that pumping CO2 and other greenhouse gasses into the air is OK now, because theres no "global warming", just because somebody was a tool and tried to exagerrate claims, then thats unfortunate for all of us.
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[landlocked beachbum]

Stir the pot eh? No that wasn't my intent but this should do it. It has been my observation through 55 years of life that the years of higher education that someone has is very often inversely proportional to their level of common sense! No I'm not a scientist; I don't have a freeking day of college, tech school or anything else. Just the [un]common sense that I was born with dude.

THOUSANDS of "scientists" have done themselves, their peers and the world as a whole a major disservice by letting their political views bend or alter their observations, findings and data. Everyone with ANY sense knows that academia [which all scientists come from] is 90-95% left to FAR left leaning in their views and politics.

At the same time, it's is a huge credit to [and I have nothing but respect for] those who have actually stood UP to their "sky is falling" peers and disagreed
with them publicly. Findings that have been derived from altered, recalled or politically manipulated data are NOT science my good friend!

"Climate change" is what the climate does, has always done and will always do, it's not a static system. For an "uneducated" person such as myself to have to remind "educated" folks of this simple fact just goes to prove that some of those folk's political views are again altering what they wish to perceive as true or not true. I don't need a degree to read and do my own research, such as this little ditty. Look at the graphs: the climate ebbs and flows to the highs that we are now having OR HIGHER and the lows in the ice ages EVEN THOUGH people and the technology/industry that came with them didn't even exist!!!

http://www.climas.arizona.edu/forecasts/articles/pastclimate_feb2009.pdf

Read all 3 pages. On the last page one paragraph states this simple fact:

"Records from tree-rings, ice and sediment
cores, and other paleoclimate proxies
have articulated valuable lessons for
planning for the future: climate variability
is greater and climate change is faster
than they have been in modern times."

Humans think of EVERYTHING in relation to what happens in a human lifetime. Even over the time that these graphs show, which isn't even a blink of an eye in the earth's history, that comes out to an almost nonexistent moment in time.....................................
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"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limits". Albert Einstein

[landlocked beachbum]

Oh yeah, that info took all of about 20 seconds to find..................
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"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limits". Albert Einstein

[Skipjack]

[landlocked beachbum]

[Lost Cajun]

[ltorna1]

"I don't need a degree to read and do my own research, such as this little ditty. Look at the graphs: the climate ebbs and flows to the highs that we are now having OR HIGHER and the lows in the ice ages EVEN THOUGH people and the technology/industry that came with them didn't even exist!!! Shocked "

The graphs also show skyrocketing CO2 levels that of which have never been recorded, and the article states that CO2 and green house gasses can contribute to global temperature increases of up to 10 degrees. Anyway, we can discuss this all you want, and google up papers all day. You seem to be a little defensive here, I was not trying to say you were uneducated or that you need a degree to do your own research, but the comment you made about snow in Houston is simply assinine. I am not saying you are assinine, because I don't think you are, I actually complimented you and your intelligence, but that comment was wild.

With regards to the tight correlation between higher education and being liberal, I wonder why that is. Still trying to figure that out myself. Chicken or the egg? Maybe that's a little condescending. And with regards to your comment saying that people with higher education lack common sense, well I think that comment is also about as assinine as your Houston snow remark. Again, your comment, not you, but your comment.
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[Skipjack]

[ltorna1]

That is funny skip jack.

And while its true that not all liberals are tree-huggin pansies, most tree-huggin pansies are liberals.
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[landlocked beachbum]

On the CO2 thingy: those in the know say that there was way more CO2 and methane around when the dinosaurs roamed the earth. The CO2 came from the abundance of plants growing in the warm climate and vulcanism while the methane came mostly from the latter, and yes grasshopper, I realize that the climate was very warm just because of this. The clincher is that there was also more OXYGEN [from the plants, terrestrial and aquatic] then than now and some paleontologists suggest that as the reason for the huge size of the critters who were around back then.

Guess what? NONE of those things "destroyed the planet"!!!!!

I'm not defensive in the least, just bringing a few facts to light that the lefties conveniently leave out when they start screaming about climate change, and such totally idiotic concepts as making/calling CO2 a pollutant!!!! Cripes all mighty, if not for CO2 NONE of us would be here, and I'm not just talking humans!!!!!!!!!!!

You said "The graphs also show skyrocketing CO2 levels that of which have never been recorded". You may want to rethink that statement. To wit:

http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/Carboniferous_climate.html

there's also this:

"Recent paleoclimate modeling has provided insights into the nature of global warming during the Cretaceous. These results suggest that atmospheric CO2 concentrations during the Cretaceous were four times current CO2 levels, and the global mean temperature during the Cretaceous was 11.2°F warmer than present3. Some important questions remain about the amount and intensity of precipitation during the Cretaceous. It has been proposed that globally averaged precipitation in the Cretaceous Greenhouse World was 28% greater than present, although scientific data to verify this are only now being developed4. Ongoing studies of ancient terrestrial deposits on earth are needed to help scientists understand present trends and anticipate future global climate changes."

On the educated/liberal thing, I think that's pretty darn simple to clarify: it's called indoctrination. Anyone who has chosen to spend years in academia to be "higher educated" is immersed in lefty thinking from the professors/teachers and it only makes sense that to make things easier on themselves, the majority would choose to go with the flow instead of buck their higher ups!

Professors live in a semi vacuum. They don't have to make a profit or meet a payroll. The same thing applies to government bureaucrats: some may have payrolls but the money doesn't come from ANY of them earning a profit, they just write a check and WE pay it!!!! The world is full of educated businessmen and women. Most of those probably tended left when they graduated but life in the real world and business world has a way of bringing one back to reality in a hurry. The fact that most of the current administration and 99% of his cabinet and "csars" have never had to do these same things also shows why they too are so out of touch with the average working person or businessman or woman!
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"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limits". Albert Einstein

[ltorna1]

Yes, greenhouse gasses were higher in periods of extremely high vulcanism. Is that now? No. Did that lead to the end of the world?? Not exactly, but it may have been a huge factor in several of the big 5 mass extinctions, so in a way, yes.

"The CO2 came from the abundance of plants growing in the warm climate"
Not sure I follow you here.

Once again, we can sit and discuss scientific research til the cows come home, for every paper saying one thing, there is yet another singing a different tune. I admire that you are trying to decipher the truth in them.

regarding the liberal/education thing, here we go.

Because I chose to better my education and make myself more marketable, I am indoctrinated???

I am immersed in lefty thinking? I am liberal because its easier to "go with the flow" then to think on my own???
Wow dude.

It is scary how twisted that idealogy is. That is yet another assinine statement, this time made about higher education by somebody who admits to have never spent a day in college, and thus has no first hand experience with what goes on in a college classroom? I am not trying to sound insulting beachbum, but to say that most higher-ed students are liberal because they are indoctrinated is yet another comment that reeks of ignorance. I am not going to sit here and insult people who don't have a college degree, because there is 100% nothing wrong with that, but I am also not going to sit here and defend higher education to you. It needs no defending.
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