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[Zane69]

[Bluffer]

CCA sucks to. They do very little to support local projects, all the money ends up in Houston.
Unlike SEA, wich all monies are used here for LOCAL projects.
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Fish hard, fish the Bluff. Surrounded by water!
-A quaint little drinking village with a fishing problem-

[Guest]

Not that I've ever agreed with Greenpeace's methods, I still have to say their messages come across as a grade or two above the level of some of these posts. 'Course, I'm prejudiced against people who routinely make grammatical errors and call folks leftist if they suspect (with the best of reasons) them to have IQs higher than their own. These trolls are likely same the Joe Six-Packs who left the trash on the beach in the first place, since they think it makes them superior to defy the laws.

Now, if you can show us specifically where Greenpeace wants to shut down PINS, go right ahead. Quote something directly from the organization; at least it will be spelled correctly.

[Bryanccfshr]

[Guest]

Bryanccfshr, I'm not sure what partisan politics has to do with driving on or trashing the beach; I certainly didn't point any fingers.

No, the issues behind the energy debate are complicated and full of enough alternative solutions to make it an enjoyable one, so long as name-calling isn't considered a forensic tool. Anybody got a theory and knows enough to support it with facts, I'll listen. As one of the old Sci-Fi authors loved to write: "This is Liberty Hall; you can spit on the mat and call the cat a bastard." Just don't spit on or call me names.

I don't know of any existing alternative energy generation technology that hasn't got drawbacks, many of which get glossed over by their supporters. Building a road behind the dunes is a steep price to pay for getting at the gas back there, for example. Maybe BNP would drill elsewhere if it wasn't subsidized indirectly by being allowed to drive on the beach most of the way, instead. Nuclear energy requires drilling in South Texas, too, and the side effects of that take their tolls on groundwater. Windpower near our coast looks promising, until you factor in the Central Flyway. Then there's the Alaska National Wildlife Refuge, and the thousands of miles of gas pipeline we neglected to construct to get the gas from Prudhoe Bay, much less the ANWR, when we opened the area up for drilling ages ago.

The solutions aren't simple, any more than getting the world to reduce its population without war or pestilence so we wouldn't need so much of our finite resources in the first place. Now there's an issue to bust some partisan political chops with!

[Guest]

I visited the Greenpeace web site, not only did I find them bragging about eco terror events they carried out but many of their facts they post about drilling on PINS are not correct. They state that the drilling will be in the dunes where the turtles lay their eggs. This is wrong as the drilling will occur on the back side of the island. All the nests I saw last year were about half way between the surf and the edge of the dunes. They state that the truck drivers will have to mark and move the turtles nest when they see one and then they state that the truck drivers can't even see the turtles. All trucks were escorted in and out of PINS by people on ATVs and these people are not allowed to move the nests. They also state that PINS is one of the 2 natural habitats for the turtle and it is not. We introduce the turtle here because their population was destroyed by the people of Mexico. As late as the 1950s there were as many as 40,000 turtles per day nesting in Mexico and now is almost extinct. Why isn't Greenpeace in Mexico laying on top of the nests to prevent poachers from taking the eggs?????

[RedFish Chaser]

[tyler]

[Guest]

I visited several web sites on the Kemp turtle and "EXCEPT FOR SPORADIC NESTS" all Kemps returned to a 12 1/2 mile stretch of beach in Mexico. So as stated before PINS is not and has never been a main nesting place for them. Like all species of animal there are those that reproduce against the norm. Anyway, as usually goes with subjects like these, stopping the drilling will lead to stopping vehicular traffice during certian times of the year which will lead to stopping all human access to PINS. Once they get their foot in the door they end up all over your house.

[Guest]

You noticed that, too, Tyler. It took a lot more tolerance than normal not to respond to the troll, because half of what was posted is wrong, even though the other half is paraphrased correctly from the Kill the Drill website. The problem is, you'd have to have to know which was which, and you'd still run the risk of sounding like you were defending the troll or Greenpeace if you responded, as you just did. The troll should ask Greenpeace his questions, not us.

Having said that, I should mention that because I don't surf the web it took several tries to Google up the right website, and the errors were kinda interesting. Try looking for "Greenpeace, Sea Turtles," and see what turns up.

As to the right website, it appeared whoever wrote the description of BNP's intentions was referring to the proposed Lemon/Lemon Seed location because it mentions cutting through the dunes and drilling in the dunes. The Dunn-Murdock and Dunn-Peach locations were far removed from the dunes and used old cuts through the dunes to reach them. Although the Lemons would require cutting a new gap in the dunes, according to the EA, they won't require drilling in the dunes, but just behind them. See - half right, half wrong.

Back on target, the issue is that access to all the BNP drilling sites has resulted in and would continue to require driving on the beach. PINS policy is that the rig traffic take the high road between the wet sand and the dunes, which is where the fishers drive when the low road is submerged or blocked, as well as where they camp. It's also where the turtles nest, as even the troll has witnessed. Whether you like to fish or hug turtles, how's that policy in the public interest?

[tyler]

[o_brother]

Its my belief that every organization has its pro's and con's. Every Industry has to have a watch dog. The oilfield has many. I worked for a short time as a field inspector for the Oil and Gas Division of the RailRoad Commission of Texas. I performed my duties with some common sense and used every avenue possible to persuade companys to do what the State required without fines and such. Within the four counties I covered, there were five or six company's out of about a hundred that just flat refused to follow the book. Some violations were just gross neglect. To make a long story short. I left the State and went back to the private sector of the oilfield. I became discouraged with Austin over not taking action on several cases that were major violations and took months of investigating and hours of paper work. This may sound like sour grapes to some but what I'm getting at is, a few bad apples don't spoil the whole basket unless they are left in the basket too long !!!!!!

[Dufish]

Well im going to PINS this weekend and enjoy it for what it is today. Now if I can find the right bait as I did on this forum I should limit out.