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ike · Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 7:53 pm Post subject: H.R.-45 BAD NEWS

> Are you ready for the House Bill titled 'HR 45, Blair Holt Licensing and Record Act of 2009'. It will make it illegal to own a firearm unless it is registered with the database in Washington D.C. As a gun owner you will have to be finger printed, you will be required to provide your DL#, SS#, you must maintain a valid address at all times, submit to mental and physical health records being put on file, you will also be required to file any address changes and any ownership changes even if private sale. Each update will cost $25 and if you fail to comply you will lose your right to own firearms. This bill and its language mirror almost completely one defeated last year in the House of Representatives by soon to be Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel. Will the citizenry be as lucky this time?
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> > Pass this on to everyone who believes in strict Constitutionalism and remember that laws only apply to those who obey them. Criminals by definition and nature do not abide by laws. New laws and restrictions only apply to the law abiding citizen and are not written with the criminal in mind. With guns, it is not about having laws on the books to prosecute individuals, it is about taking guns away from the people so that no one has them in the first place. One last item to note, when assuming power and creating a facist state, Hitler was a proponent of strong gun laws because a disarmed populace was much easier to control than an armed one. The Kings of old also outlawed weapons of any kind in any region that they conquered to quell the ability of the citizens to uprise against them.
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> > The Founding Fathers of this Nation understood all of the above and because of this they included the Second Amendment in the Constitution. In fact, they knew that at some point in every society's life span that the need for the population to arise came about. To this end they made the right to keep and bear arms against a tyrannical state an absolute right that could not be revoked. They did this because the first thing tyrants and despots do is to remove a populations right to defend themselves. When this is done the tyrants have no problem with the destruction of society as we know it.

Javelina Russ · Horse Mullet Joined: 06 Jul 2008 Posts: 226

We need to nip this one in the bud folks, it's going to committee and the best time to kill this sum beach is NOW

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-45

Link also has the nutjob that introduced it..... wanna take a bet which state he's from (Give you a hint, it's our pres' own state....)
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mrwhitefolx · Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 3:49 pm Post subject:

The bill not only calls for the registering of ALL firearms, but also a license for gun owners.

Use this link to send a message to your Representative in the House. The bill is still in committee, but it's never too early to let the people in Washington know how you feel. Write them, call them, send them a telegraph, just let them know how you feel.

https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml

Tyler · Site Admin Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 12865

It's not all firearms - it is handguns and rifles that can accept a detachable Ammo feeding mechanism or that is what I understood when reading the proposed bill. Either way it sucks.

mrwhitefolx · Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 7:15 pm Post subject:

(2) QUALIFYING FIREARM- The term ‘qualifying firearm’ has the meaning given the term in section 921(a) of title 18, United States Code, as amended by subsection (b) of this section.

(b) Amendment to Title 18, United States Code- Section 921(a) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:

‘(36) The term ‘qualifying firearm’--

‘(A) means--

‘(i) any handgun; or

‘(ii) any semiautomatic firearm that can accept any detachable ammunition feeding device; and

‘(B) does not include any antique.’.

The above is what is written into the bill itself and the reference to the US Code defines a firearm as below. The way I read it, the only firearms that would be excluded would be antiques.

(3) The term “firearm” means
(A) any weapon (including a starter gun) which will or is designed to or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive;
(B) the frame or receiver of any such weapon;
(C) any firearm muffler or firearm silencer; or
(D) any destructive device. Such term does not include an antique firearm.

Cricket · Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 10:26 pm Post subject:

It took about 5 minutes to send Ortiz an email. I encourage everyone to do the same. We can flood his in box with requests that he vote NO to the Bill or any version of it. Thanks.

Javelina Russ · Horse Mullet Joined: 06 Jul 2008 Posts: 226

brain fart, is there any websites that will let us KNOW if our Reps did not vote the way we want??? That would be golden info right there Twisted Evil

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mrwhitefolx · Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 8:43 am Post subject:

The govtrack.com website usually has that info listed, the site is down right now, and the bill is still in the early stages of the commitee process.

Cricket · Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 8:54 pm Post subject: Ortiz Reply

Here's the reply that I received from the Congressman:

Thank you for contacting me regarding your opposition to H.R. 45, the Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009. It is always a pleasure to hear from you and I value the opportunity to respond.

H.R. 45 was introduced in January by Representative Bobby Rush and has been referred to the House Committee on the Judiciary for further consideration.

Throughout my years in Congress, I have proudly voted to protect the Constitutional right to bear arms in a safe and legal manner. I understand that the intent of this bill is to prevent senseless gun violence by imposing more stringent regulations on gun owners. However, I believe that we must work to strike the correct balance between taking action to stop crime and protecting the rights of lawful gun owners. Rather than increased regulation of license holders, I believe the most appropriate and effective way to achieve our goal of a safer society is by educating our citizens about the rights and responsibilities of gun ownership, as well as implementing more stringent penalties for criminals and stronger enforcement of the gun laws that are already on the books.

As always, thank you for taking the time to contact me with your concerns, and rest assured that I will continue to work with my colleagues in Congress to protect your right to own and bear arms. Please visit http://ortiz.house.gov to learn more about my views on other issues and legislation, and do not hesitate to contact me regarding any issue at the federal level. With kindest regards, I am

Sincerely,

Solomon P. Ortiz
Member of Congress

Javelina Russ · Horse Mullet Joined: 06 Jul 2008 Posts: 226

mrwhitefolx · Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 6:40 pm Post subject:

I got the exact same canned response from Mr. Ortiz as well, it almost sounds like an automated response that one of his aides would send out in a mass email.

chuck · Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 7:37 pm Post subject:

email sent

Purefishn · Horse Mullet Joined: 06 Jun 2006 Posts: 219

I was listening to Gun Talk on 1360AM on Sunday and the host, can't recall his name but good show, says to forget about this bill. He said it will never happen and was some whacky bill some ex black panther or something proposed. I was worried about it too, and he said everyone needs to stop the emails and internet posts about it. Just letting you know what he said and it is a national show. If your not an NRA member, then you are not helping as much as you can, join up.