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Speckled Trout and Catfish Advisory.. FYI

 
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 9:17 am    Post subject: Speckled Trout and Catfish Advisory.. FYI Reply with quote

Advisory Issued for Catfish, Speckled Trout From Galveston Bay
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July 8, 2008 - 11:54AM
posted by: Scott Lawrence
AUSTIN (AP) - Fans of catfish and spotted seatrout caught in Galveston Bay are being advised to limit their consumption of the two species.

The advisory came Tuesday from the Texas Department of State Health Services.

DSHS says a two-year study found elevated levels of dioxins and polychlorinated biphenyl's, or PCBs, in catfish and spotted seatrout.

The advisory includes Chocolate Bay, East Bay, West Bay, Trinity Bay and contiguous waters.

The health agency says adults are advised to limit consumption of the two types of fish to no more than one 8-ounce meal per month.

Women who are nursing, pregnant or who may become pregnant and children should not eat catfish or spotted seatrout from Galveston Bay.

Spotted seatrout are also known as speckled trout.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder how bad it really is... For DSHS to come out with a warning about the consumption of sport fish is a big deal with huge negative economic impacts. I'm sure the decision was not made lightly. Did they actually publish numbers? If so, did they publish numbers for the entire coast? What about mercury and other contaminants? I've always wondered about this stuff, especially now with a little one on the way. Should I feel safe letting my wife eat what I'm catching? A few questions we should be asking the higher ups...
Being involved in research I've seen some data come out along the Texas coast and while most of it looks at oysters (because they're filter feeders and a good measure of water quality) the data doesn't look good. One particular study was well south of Galveston.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 10:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobody gets out of life alive Shocked ! When I was a kid we didn't have bicycle helmets, shinguards, etc, and we played kickball, baseball [with no hardhat], made our own scateboards from a 2x4 and some pulled apart-metal wheels, which were GUARANTEED to spin out and give you a bad case of road rash going around a fast curve, so forth and so on ad nauseum. I'm still here! I would bet that the pesticides that we all consume on [store bought] fruit and veggies and the hormones and such that are in meat are far more dangerous in the long run than eating some fish. Having said that I'm sure that there ARE areas [Nueces Bay] that harbor a motherload of those same toxins [and worse] from their proximity to the chemical plants in Corpus. I might not be inclined to eat much from there when the pickings are so good in the rest of the area.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not good at all.

Can anyone comment on the feeding patterns of trout and catfish, and why these two species are linked in this study? Also, what about reds. Would it be expected that contamination extends down into the inshore areas commonly fished by people on this board (e.g., the lagoon down into baffin)?

Also, PCBs have been banned in the US for 30 years. I remember as a kid a lot of talk about PCBs; I grew up around the great lakes where there was heavy contamination. Makes me curious about the source for PCBs along the gulf coast.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

frayed wrote:
Not good at all.

Can anyone comment on the feeding patterns of trout and catfish, and why these two species are linked in this study? Also, what about reds. Would it be expected that contamination extends down into the inshore areas commonly fished by people on this board (e.g., the lagoon down into baffin)?

Also, PCBs have been banned in the US for 30 years. I remember as a kid a lot of talk about PCBs; I grew up around the great lakes where there was heavy contamination. Makes me curious about the source for PCBs along the gulf coast.


OK lets see if I can explain the situation to you the way it was explained to me. I had the same question about the PCBs.
I was told that the PCBs and other toxins in the Galveston area are entering the water throught run-off. These toxins are being washed down the rivers from an area that had some industrial manufacturing facilities
from some years back. I guess the land didn't get cleaned up after the facilities went out of business or were abandoned. (that I don't know)
This is just an assumption but I'm assuming the catfish are coming in contact with the toxins in the river and the trout are coming in contact after the river dumps into the bay.
You would think that all fish would be carring some quanity of toxin in these areas.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If anyone is interested here are a couple of sites with some info:

http://tpwd.state.tx.us/fishadvisory
http://dshs.state.tx.us/seafood/survey.shtm

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You would think that all fish would be carring some quanity of toxin in these areas.


You can bet on it.

From the TPWD webpage - You can't tell me that if the crabs are harmful to consume the redfish are fine. These toxins follow the food chain.

You can also bet on the fact that the government is not going to say don't consume redfish and trout anywhere along the coast (together). That would cripple a billion dollar industry.

I saw a lecture a while back about mercury contamination. The guy giving the talk cited a study done along the entire gulf coast measuring mercury concentrations in humans. The correlation between regular consumption of game fish and high mercury concentrations was indisputable. One man tested on the Alabama coast, who caught his meals on a daily basis, had mercury concentrations that a Japanese group found to cause numbing of the fingers and severe memory loss - concentrations the US classifies as toxic.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/faq/fishboat/fish/pcbfaq.phtml

Ah yes, the old body fat %/food chain hierarchy equation. This is why BIG kings aren't supposed to be eaten too. They are high body fat fish and their age and diet mean that they have eaten AND STORED a buttload of bad stuff delivered to them from the lower rungs of the food chain.

Being an apex predator was a GOOD thing until man and nasty chemical compounds hit the scene! Shocked
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for posting the links.

I wonder if anglers will take this seriously? If so, you have to wonder if we see elevated fishing pressure on reds and other species.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GALVESTON AREA HAS BEEN POLLUTED FOR YEARS AND WILL ALWAYS BE. THE MAIN THING IS WE WANT THOSE GUYS TO STAY OVER THERE SO IF THE FISH LOOKS OK GO AHEAD AND EAT IT DON'T BOTHER WASTING GAS TO COME ALL THE WAY DOWN HERE.
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