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Gib
Member White Shrimper Boot Club
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 Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:51 am Post subject: BHP Meeting Confirmed |
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The meeting will be today, 3:00pm, at the court house on third floor.
If you can, it would be good to attend and express appreciation for listening and trying to present a reasonable solution to all.
I know, not all changes will make everyone completely happy, but it is a step in listening to the public and trying to arrive at a solution that will aid all. |
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micah
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Location: Rockport TX
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Can you find out if they will be letting people kayak baits off the end? Thanks. |
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Gib
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 12:51 pm Post subject: Will ask |
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Micah,
I will ask them and respond on this thread today or tomorrow. |
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Gib
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:29 pm Post subject: kayaking |
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If I correctly understood:
1. Absolutely no kayaks off of the pier or being lowered from the pier.
2. Board then started to comment about doing such from the beach.
3. We were then informed that there is a city ordiance that used to indicate no kayaks, boats, tubes, etc. within 100 feet of the pier. That ordinance is now extended to no such device within 300 feet of the pier.
Hope this helps. |
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Blast-n-Cast
Full Grown Flour Bluffian
Joined: 03 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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| No kayaks off the pier....Ouch! that cant be good for business |
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topdog15
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Joined: 14 Jun 2006
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Location: Flour Bluff
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Blast-n-Cast wrote: | | No kayaks off the pier....Ouch! that cant be good for business |
Guess it depends on the type of business they're looking for. While it will discourage shark fisherman, I think many anglers seeking other species will be delighted to hear about the new rules. I've never actually been on BHP so don't really have much of an opinion on the subject.
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bigdawg
Joined: 13 Nov 2007
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Location: Corpus Christi
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:25 pm Post subject: BHP meeting / no kayaks |
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| I AM NEW TO SHARK FISHING AND REALLY DISAPPOINTED. IF THIS IS A CITY ORDINANCE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A COPY OF THE ORDINANCE POSTED @ BHP. THAT SAYS NO KAYAKS. |
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Gib
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 3:38 pm Post subject: signs posted |
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bigdawg,
Not trying to be a "stick in the mud", but there has always been signs, and they now have new signs I believe on the pier and out on the beach.
It is actually there is to be no one within 300 feet of the pier; therefore, this would include swimming, fishing, surfing, etc.
I believe the new ones are on the pier, and then if one looks down the beach from the pier, he will see signs posted.
I hope this helps. |
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The Trash Heap
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Joined: 06 Mar 2006
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Location: Corpus Christi
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 4:06 pm Post subject: Re: BHP meeting / no kayaks |
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| bigdawg wrote: | | I AM NEW TO SHARK FISHING AND REALLY DISAPPOINTED. IF THIS IS A CITY ORDINANCE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A COPY OF THE ORDINANCE POSTED @ BHP. THAT SAYS NO KAYAKS. |
While posting the current relevant CC Ordinances, I thought I'd add the newest ones regarding Packery Channel.
| Quote: | Sec. 12-7. Bathing, swimming and wading prohibited in certain waters.
It shall be unlawful for any person to go into any of the following described waters for the purpose of bathing, swimming or wading:
(1) All the water within the rock breakwater extending from eastern terminus of Market Street to the point on Shoreline Drive where the southernmost portion of such breakwater ends, such point being near to and immediately south of the eastern terminus of Broadway Court.
(2) All the waters within the Corpus Christi ship channel and turning basins appurtenant thereto.
(3) All of the waters of the Nueces River from the Calallen plant or reservoir and for one-half ( 1/2) mile upstream from the intake.
(4) From the public docks or from boats within the harbor.
(5) Any private swimming pool without the consent of the owner thereof.
(6) The navigable waterway of Packery Channel from the east side of the John F. Kennedy Causeway to the end of the jetties in the Gulf of Mexico.
It shall be unlawful for any parent or guardian of a minor, or any person standing in loco parentis to a minor, to knowingly permit such minor to violate this section.
(Code 1958, §§ 9-5, 9-25; Ord. No. 027499, § 1, 11-20-2007)
Editor's note: Formerly numbered § 12-8.
Cross references: Prohibition of swimming, etc. alongside of Bob Hall Pier, § 12-29.
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Sec. 12-29. Prohibition of swimming, use of surfboards, boats, motorboats, and vessels alongside of Rob Hall Pier.
No person shall swim, surf by the use of surfboards, operate boats, motorboats or vessels in the following designated area:
Beginning at a point where the water touches the sand under Bob Hall Pier for a distance of one hundred (100) feet from the outer vertical edges of Bob Hall Pier for the entire water area around said pier as per sketch prepared by the park and recreation department, dated April 28, 1983, which is on file in the office of the city secretary.
(Ord. No. 17585, § 2, 5-4-1983)
Editor's note: Formerly numbered § 12-30.
Cross references: Swimming prohibited in certain waters, § 12-7.
Sec. 12-30. Penalty for section 12-29.
Any person who violates or fails to comply with any of the provisions of section 12-29 shall be deemed guilty of a misdemeanor and upon conviction of any such violation shall be punished as prescribed in section 1-6.
(Ord. No. 17585, § 3, 5-4-1983)
Editor's note: Formerly numbered § 12-31.
Sec. 12-31. Slow, No Wake zones.
(a) All man-made canals adjacent to and through residential developments and the entire width of Packery Channel from the line between 97 deg. 13 min. 14.037 sec. west, 27 deg. 37 min. 42.48 sec. north and 97 deg. 12 min. 59.069 sec. west, 27 deg. 37 min. 42.409 sec. north, west of the residential development fronting Packery Channel eastward to the point of intersection of the Packery Channel Basin and the Packery Channel Canal at a line extending between 97 deg. 12 min. 42.48 sec. west, 27 deg. 37 min. 1.74 sec. north and 97 deg. 12 min. 44.904 sec. west, 27 deg. 36 min. 57.404 sec. north and Packery Channel from the eastern shore of the Intracoastal Waterway at a line extending between 97 deg. 14 min. 19.5 sec. west, 27 deg. 38 min. 26 sec. north and 97 deg. 14 min. 18.075 sec. west, 27 deg. 38 min. 9.472 sec. north eastward to a line extending between 97 deg. 14 min. 14.13 sec. west, 27 deg. 38 min. 0.014 sec. north and 97 deg. 14 min. 6.4 sec. west, 27 deg. 38 min. 3.169 sec. north shall be designated "Slow,No Wake" zones. Cautionary signs warning of sharp curves shall be erected at or near each of the approximately ninety-degree turns in Packery Channel.
(b) "Slow, No Wake" means the operation of a watercraft at the slowest possible forward speed necessary to maintain steerage and so as to create no breaking wave.
(c) It shall be unlawful for any person to operate a watercraft in a "Slow, No Wake" zone at any speed in excess of the slowest possible forward speed necessary to maintain steerage or at a speed which creates a breaking wave.
(d) Any property owners association or group of property owners associated with the residential developments adjacent to and through the man-made canals may purchase, install, and must maintain land based "Slow, No Wake" signs on each side of the man-made canal where the "Slow, No Wake" zone begins. The location, size, and wording of the land based signs must be coordinated with the City's Park and Recreation Department.
(e) Any property owners association or group of property owners residing beside the "Slow, No Wake" zone in Packery Channel may purchase, install, and must maintain "Slow, No Wake" signs on land at each of the four (4) corners of the "Slow, No Wake" zone. The location, size, and wording of the land based signs must be coordinated with the City's Park and Recreation Department and any other local governmental authorities.
(f) No one may be cited for a violation of subsection (c) of this section unless the land based "Slow, No Wake" signs are installed in accordance with subsection (d) of this section in the case of man-made canals adjacent to and through residential developments and subsection (e) of this section in the case of Packery Channel.
(g) Any property owners association or group of property owners residing adjacent to the "Slow, No Wake" zones described in subsection (a) of this section, may purchase, install and must maintain buoys upon which may be posted a "Slow, No Wake" notice. The placement and type of such "Slow, No Wake" buoys must be coordinated with the City's Park and Recreation Department.
(h) Any property owners association or group of property owners intending to install "Slow, No Wake" buoys in a navigable water way must comply with all federal regulations regarding United States Coast Guard permission prior to the installation of the buoys.
(Ord. No. 21821, § 1, 12-14-1993; Ord. No. 24226, § 1, 9-19-2000; Ord. No. 027499, § 2, 11-20-2007)
Editor's note: Formerly numbered § 12-32.
Secs. 12-32--12-39. Reserved. |
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The Trash Heap
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 4:15 pm Post subject: Adding a Definition |
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[Tyler, not only is the board making me log in everytime I try to access it, it's not giving me an icon to allow editing my own posts.]
In case there's a question whether the CC Municipal Codes apply to a kayak near BHP, here's how the ordinance reads as regards a vessel:
| Quote: | Sec. 12-28. Vessel, boat, etc., defined for purposes of section 12-29.
For the purposes of section 12-29 the following definitions shall apply unless the content requires a different definition:
(a) Vessel. Any watercraft other than a seaplane on water, used or capable of being used for transportation on water.
(b) Boat. Any vessel not more than sixty-five (65) feet in length, measured from end to end over the deck, excluding sheer, and manufactured or used primarily for noncommercial use.
(c) Motorboat. Any vessel propelled by machinery, whether or not the machinery is the principal source of propulsion, but shall not include a vessel which has a valid marine document issued by the Bureau of Customs of the United States Government, or any federal agency successor.
(d) Operate. Navigate or otherwise use a motorboat, vessel, or surfboard.
(e) Surfboard. A flat, solid vessel made of wood, plastic, or other nonflexible material capable of supporting one or more people while floating in the water, which is not propelled by a motor and which is designed to be propelled by wave action or sail.
(f) Person. An individual, partnership, firm, corporation, association or other entity.
(g) Coastline. The line of mean low tide along that portion of the coast which is in direct contact with the open Gulf of Mexico.
(Ord. No. 17585, § 1, 5-4-1983)
Editor's note: Formerly numbered § 12-29.
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ccbobber
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| Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 4:50 am Post subject: bhp |
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am i missing something ? johnny's post says"no swimming, boating, surfing etc. within 100 feet of the physical pier. i know i have heard 300 feet mentioned at several meetings ? which is correct?
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The Trash Heap
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| Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 7:34 am Post subject: Re: bhp |
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| ccbobber wrote: | | am i missing something ? johnny's post says"no swimming, boating, surfing etc. within 100 feet of the physical pier. i know i have heard 300 feet mentioned at several meetings ? which is correct? |
Yep, you missed last Thursday's meeting. They didn't have the mikes turned on, but the parks board has apparently asked the City to increase the distance to 300 feet because of complaints about fishing lines being cut. Can't recall anyone saying when the amendment to the ordinance might go before the City Council. 'Course, w/o enforcement the distance is moot.
On the subject of enforcement, the new rates for BHP scheduled to go into effect next year will only partly solve the need for better enforcement and other pier improvements. An old account that had been allowed to empty and lapse has been reopened to take pier fees for these purposes, but the account will only get the increment between the new rates and the old. If no one bothers to collect the fees, then the pocket won't be full in another 6 months when it comes time to look at purchases based on the account. Purchasing annual passes for pier use may help, but this underscores the importance of getting someone to collect for every pole and especially of having someone to do the collecting at night.
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bigdawg
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| Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 8:29 am Post subject: City ordinance |
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| Thank you very much for the info on the ordinance. you guys were very helpful. really appreciated. |
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Tyler
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| Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 9:15 am Post subject: Re: Adding a Definition |
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| The Trash Heap wrote: | [Tyler, not only is the board making me log in everytime I try to access it, it's not giving me an icon to allow editing my own posts.]
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I don't know what that could be. Looking at your profile it says you have HTML turned off. Try going in there and turning it on.
When you do sign in be sure to check the box that says always keep me signed in. If that is not working there is probably an issue with your cookies. Your browser security setting may be set not to allow cookies. |
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The Trash Heap
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| Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 11:24 am Post subject: |
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Signed in and checked the box. Now the edit icon has returned. Since I hadn't unchecked that box, I don't know what happened. Random cosmic ray strike?
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