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Bayslammer
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 7:23 am    Post subject: Waterfowl Shotgun Reply with quote

I own two guns, a pre-64 Winchester 30-06 (springfield) and a 12 guage pump- Winchester. I use the shotgun for dove, quail and waterfowl, but I was told I needed a different shotgun with at least a 3" chamber or bigger for duck hunting. I believe mine is under 3". My shotgun works fine using Winchester XX #4 steel shot, but I notice I don't have the reach that say a mossberg 3.25" or even the 870 with a 3" chamber has. Is it worth buying a new shotgun to take out into the corrosive elements to duck hunt with just for the extra distance orknock down power? Is the old ranger pump fine for ducks? If I had plenty of money to spare, then I would not even be asking this question.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 7:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The costs of high quality pump guns has come down alot recently. My advice, go to Academy and buy a Benelli 12 gauge Nova pump for 299.00. It will be the best money you ever spend. It will shoot 2 3/4-3 1/2 inch loads and the gun itslef is damn near indestructible. They used to be twice this much before Academy got into selling them. Take advantage of it and you'll have a cheap but high quality waterfowl gun for years to come.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 7:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're shooting ducks that are decoying in close then 2.75" shells are fine and your Winchester probably is too. If you end up having more passing shots at greater distances (such as late season and/or decoy shy birds), then you might consider moving up to something with a 3-inch chamber. My auto shoots up to 3.5" shells simply because I wanted the option should I ever hunt geese on a regular basis. My Beretta has a camo wrap finish and has performed real well in the salt with no evidence of corrosion...but I'm a maintenance freak too. Most manufactures offer some type of camo finish that acts as a barrier to corrosion.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Both guys are right, but one of my good friends uses a 20ga and shoots 2 3/4 and 3 inch shells and does just fine. I don't see a need to shoot ducks with a 3 1/2 inch shell. Chokes are important too. Modified vs Imporved Cylinder. Check the patterns. I have a Benelli SuperNova and they are real nice. It has a recoil pad built into the stock. I can shoot it all day and not be sore. Last season I used an old Mossberg that my Dad bought back in the day and it worked just fine.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

my son (15) shoots a Mossberg 835 Ulti-mag and it's suited to shoot 3.5". It's got some protective coating on the barrel. Only bad thing about Mossbergs are that they tend to be a little heavier than most.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:57 pm    Post subject: Gun Reply with quote

the troutman wrote:
The costs of high quality pump guns has come down alot recently. My advice, go to Academy and buy a Benelli 12 gauge Nova pump for 299.00. It will be the best money you ever spend. It will shoot 2 3/4-3 1/2 inch loads and the gun itslef is damn near indestructible. They used to be twice this much before Academy got into selling them. Take advantage of it and you'll have a cheap but high quality waterfowl gun for years to come.


I have 3 shotguns I have collected over the years. 12 gauge 870 3" chamber. Benelli 12 gauge Nova, which I strongly recomend NOT getting!!!! and Benelli Super Black Eagle II which I LOVE!

With that said the 870 is the most economical way to go, and probably the most reliable shotgun available. You can get the 3" chamber models for around $230 at academy.

3.5" chambers are good for goose hunting and the late season decoy shy birds but not necessary for decoying birds.

In summary I would recomend the Super Black Eagle or the Beretta Xtrema II if you can afford it. If not I would DEFINITELY GO WITH THE 870 over the Nova....I HATED my Nova.....
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:13 pm    Post subject: Shotgun Reply with quote

if your on the bird when you shoot shell siza and gauge do not matter. They are more forgiving since they have so many more pellets per round. With some of the new alloys per shot weight and speeds are about the same (in some cases better) than they were pre-steel only.

Shoot what feels right.

Sotx 23 what issues have you had with the nova? I was thinking about getting one for my nephew this year.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have heard complaints about the nova - but man - that super black eagle is $1500 - I like the Super Nova casue it has the added recoil reducers and it is a third of the cost of the Super Black Eagle (which I hear is an awesome gun).

http://www.benelliusa.com/firearms/large/sNovaCTMax412Ga.jpg

There are some really good guns out there, and even Mossberg has stepped up with better guns, but you won't see another one in my hands unless I get it free.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:50 pm    Post subject: Duck Gun Reply with quote

One word - Citroi. Both the White Lighting and the Hunter are great guns, cost less than the benelli Eagle or SBE, will never jam and should own for the rest of your life.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 5:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Shotgun Reply with quote

Drake wrote:
if your on the bird when you shoot shell siza and gauge do not matter. They are more forgiving since they have so many more pellets per round. With some of the new alloys per shot weight and speeds are about the same (in some cases better) than they were pre-steel only.

Shoot what feels right.

Sotx 23 what issues have you had with the nova? I was thinking about getting one for my nephew this year.


I have a lot of problems with it hanging up the live shells with the spent shells. It also tends to eject a lot of live shells as well. I also think that I was somewhat short stroking the Nova as well. You really have to travel the entire length of the action to ensure a proper action.......I noticed that you didnt have to do so as much with the 870.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe try different ammo first. Lots to choose from out there besides steel.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a 12 guage Remington 870 express super mag. It shoots up to 3 1/2's and is the synthetic black model. Great gun, I can use it for everyhing and it is fairly cheap. I got mine from Academy for somewhere around $315.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is just something about the Remington 870 thats magic to shoot. plus there is plenty of after market stuff if you end up with a corrosion problem. just sumthing ta think about.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 870 is a time proven design and probably a staple of many hunter's arsenal...I have a 20-ga magnum that's great. The only problem I have is the feeling of getting my shoulder jack-hammered with waterfowl loads stuffed to the brim with powder....although that is incentive to improve your aim. That aftermarket supplies are definately a plus.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 7:45 am    Post subject: Waterfowl Shotgun Reply with quote

Atrificial 88 - try a ported choke tube. They will reduce the felt recoil some and reduce barrel jump pretty significantly as well.
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