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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2023 7:47 am    Post subject: Driving on the beach ..... Reply with quote

It 's popped up again and since there's been no mention (that I've seen) here on this board I'm wondering if anyone here is concerned.

Some folks are saying it won't go thru due to lack of funding.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2023 8:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nick from Breakaway is trying to set up a meeting for this so that there is a unified effort to combat the driving closure. I will try to post something when I hear of when it might be. I talked to him down the beach yesterday and he's pretty fired up about it.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2023 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are so many moving parts to this one, it's tough to keep up (I'm assuming you are talking about the National Park Service 'information gathering dog&pony shows - to give everyone the warm fuzzies inside that they care what we peons want in OUR park)... But I digress.

Informational hearings are happening (H#LL, one of them is in San Antonio!), and the Park Service wants input of all manner of things - closing the beach to traffic, permanent speed limits year-round [should they not be closed - 60 Miles to the jetties is a LONG way to walk with all your fishing gear], caps on Park visitor numbers [somebody explain that one to me from Little Shell through Big Shell!!], hurricane procedures, beach trash removal, limited turtle egg collecting and drastically cutting the number of hatchling events, open pen incubation for turtle eggs.... etc., etc., etc.

There is proposed legislation in the current Leg Session to 'change' the Open Beaches Act, and Nueces County Commissioners has already passed a resolution in support of the Act 'as it reads now'. Nueces County also came very close to losing Padre Bali Park due to a disagreement with the original deed holders (Thanks for nothing, former Judge B. Canales), and part of the land was eyed by the Park Service to expand their footprint north.

As far as these "meetings", I'll bet 10:1 odds that 95% of the people giving their input on how this National Park should be ran have either never been to PINS, or if they have, have NEVER been south of the 5 mm. Let alone, navigated Yarborough Pass, or could recognize the 'High Road' from the sand stacked outside the South Packery jetties!

Here is the link to the document put together by folks who aren't even based here in TX?!?! Evil or Very Mad
https://parkplanning.nps.gov/document.cfm?documentID=125939
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2023 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Central Scrutinizer wrote:
There are so many moving parts to this one, it's tough to keep up (I'm assuming you are talking about the National Park Service 'information gathering dog&pony shows - to give everyone the warm fuzzies inside that they care what we peons want in OUR park)... But I digress.

Informational hearings are happening (H#LL, one of them is in San Antonio!), and the Park Service wants input of all manner of things - closing the beach to traffic, permanent speed limits year-round [should they not be closed - 60 Miles to the jetties is a LONG way to walk with all your fishing gear], caps on Park visitor numbers [somebody explain that one to me from Little Shell through Big Shell!!], hurricane procedures, beach trash removal, limited turtle egg collecting and drastically cutting the number of hatchling events, open pen incubation for turtle eggs.... etc., etc., etc.

There is proposed legislation in the current Leg Session to 'change' the Open Beaches Act, and Nueces County Commissioners has already passed a resolution in support of the Act 'as it reads now'. Nueces County also came very close to losing Padre Bali Park due to a disagreement with the original deed holders (Thanks for nothing, former Judge B. Canales), and part of the land was eyed by the Park Service to expand their footprint north.

As far as these "meetings", I'll bet 10:1 odds that 95% of the people giving their input on how this National Park should be ran have either never been to PINS, or if they have, have NEVER been south of the 5 mm. Let alone, navigated Yarborough Pass, or could recognize the 'High Road' from the sand stacked outside the South Packery jetties!

Here is the link to the document put together by folks who aren't even based here in TX?!?! Evil or Very Mad
https://parkplanning.nps.gov/document.cfm?documentID=125939


Brent didn't help out during that debacle either, so she wasn't alone in that...

everyone needs to follow the link and read the alternatives.....that should get your blood at least to a slow simmer....

status quo....that's what we want....stay out of Donna's way, and quit fooling with anything else...

see yall at the meetings...
becky
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2023 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I share the concern over a slippery slope leading to beach closures, but some of the ideas do not seem that bad to me, particularly a bypass road to the 5mm. It would be great if that road was gravel so no one wanted to go down it with a 4wd only sign in front if it, and a line of posts kept the hippies and weekenders all up above the 5mm. There is an existing cut for a oil road at about the 4, so theoretically no new cuts would need to be made. Can anyone enlighten me on why the bypass is a bad idea? That last 5m is a madhouse on busy weekends coming out.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I pilfered this from Nick's FB page:

Comments:
There is already a vehicle free beach. It is called Malaquite beach. Me and my family back in the day used it at times. Now I am "old" and partially disabled and cant get to the vehicle free area. I need to be able to drive on the beach to be able to get to the sand and water that i love. The people proposing this nonsense about "needing" vehicle free beach area - are not from here, since they would have seen the 4 miles of vehicle free beach with the nice side walk and walk areas to get to it - so why in the hxxx are we listening to those people. And if its the local PINS superintendent and his regime, that what is the motive for wanting this. Its damn sure not because of worrying about taking care of the turtles since we already had a world acclaimed turtle expert here that was doing by all honest reviews, an excellent job other than the local superintendent couldn't or wouldn't control her and ran her off. The problem was not the turtle lady - it was the superintendent who should have either put in the effort to learn to use her expertise and experience - or the other option that i prefer - leave.
As i heard for years, I've been here for 70, the national seashore area was acquired by the government with the stipulation that it remain open always and forever for the use of the public - and if they, those desiring control - revoked this freedom to use the beach - it would make that transfer null and void and that area would return to the original owner.
Leave our beach alone - or just leave.
Semi-respectfully
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2023 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

awesum wrote:
I pilfered this from Nick's FB page:

The people proposing this nonsense about "needing" vehicle free beach area - are not from here,
Donnie Schwirtlich


that's a true story....and the people running the meetings next week will also not be the local people, but a third party consultant from who knows where...

I'll put that in my written comment, no more out of town consultants ever again....

you want to close the beach to driving? find someone LOCAL to lead that charge, and good luck with that....
becky
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Thanks for the Memories, Ranger Rick.


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However I bet if you were fishing naked Ranger Rick would have a problem with that
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2023 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rebecca of Sunnybrookfarm wrote:
.. but a third party consultant from who knows where...


I've got "Florida' as the Consultant's Home, on my PINS Meeting Bingo Card. It ought to pay off nicely. Cool
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2023 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Central Scrutinizer wrote:
Rebecca of Sunnybrookfarm wrote:
.. but a third party consultant from who knows where...


I've got "Florida' as the Consultant's Home, on my PINS Meeting Bingo Card. It ought to pay off nicely. Cool


I'm not going to take that bet, but I will have a hard time not laughing in their face if that's their answer when I ask them at the meeting next week
becky
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2023 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd like to go to the meeting but there are obstacles. In the meantime I'm tying to create a written comment for them. I have to go over these comments in my mind carefully because I have trouble getting around using words like "stupid", "asinine". "f**k-off", "d**khead"and more.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2023 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

awesum wrote:
..carefully because I have trouble getting around using words like "stupid", "asinine". etc., etc., and more.


I've found that a really good Thesaurus can provide a few quality replacement words, and slipping in a couple of foreign language curse words is really satisfying. Laughing

Growing up in the Military, and during my own service, I learned a plethora of Filipino, Guamanian, Italian, German, and of all things, Cajun/Creole filthy terms that covers a number of situations.

But do comment. They are required to report the outcome (even if they do what they want anyways).
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm wondering if Eric Brunnemann will be there to answer any questions that those in attendance might ask?

Channel 3 news had a response from him "Brunnemann also said that the National Park Service is not pursuing changes to beach driving or associated fees at the park"

https://www.kiiitv.com/article/news/local/commissioners-listen-to-concerns-regarding-the-future-of-program/503-16edcf64-6ce7-40b4-97ef-838c1d09a3c3
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2023 6:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^^^ Blazin Cajun, all that is water under the bridge.
" Author: Michael Gibson (KIII)
Published: 6:58 PM CST November 17, 2021" Emphasis Mine.

The esteemed County Judge that is quoted is No More in Office (Praise be to Jesus!!!!), and the current plan does indeed come with an extra fee option for driving certain sections, changes to existing traffic, and yes, more 'vehicle-free' areas. The turtle program continues to be in the cross-hairs, but it's a red herring in my opinion, to get the changes 'outsiders' want under the guise of conservation.

Just remember, Closure is not Conservation.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2023 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blazin Cajun wrote:
I'm wondering if Eric Brunnemann will be there to answer any questions that those in attendance might ask?

Channel 3 news had a response from him "Brunnemann also said that the National Park Service is not pursuing changes to beach driving or associated fees at the park"

https://www.kiiitv.com/article/news/local/commissioners-listen-to-concerns-regarding-the-future-of-program/503-16edcf64-6ce7-40b4-97ef-838c1d09a3c3


that article was from over a year ago....but the meeting is tonight, see you all there
becky
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Thanks for the Memories, Ranger Rick.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Over on Dos Frio this morning I saw this ....

Here is the response I received from Middleton:

Thank you for contacting me regarding Senate Bill 434.

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