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Johninaustin
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:59 pm    Post subject: Outboard re-power question Reply with quote

I'm looking at putting a new motor on my Whaler skiff. It has a 2001 40hp Honda on it now and the engine runs fine, but it's age is starting to worry me, esp on nearshore trips or in the shipping channel.

Right now the motor will push the boat with two people at 26mph. Decent, but i'd like to be able to cover distances a little bit faster.

I realize this has a lot to do with how I prop it, but how much of a speed increase would I get with a 60 hp 4 stroke?

I don't like the idea of going higher than a 60, you get into bigger blocks and more weight. Right now the boat with the engine raised floats in 8" of water and I'd like to keep that advantage. Max rating for the boat is 90hp.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You need to be concerned about the weight of the engine you chose, but with a 20 hp increase you will probably realize moderate speed increase on top, and a better mid-range rpm with the right prop. I have no knowledge of what 75 hp engines are available today, but I would encourage you to consider it, especially if the weight is acceptable. Also, a little better description of what hull you have would help someone advise you more specifically. Good luck on your upgrade.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A quick search of post history seems to indicate that you are repowering a 17 ft. whaler. I would assume it is a Montauk model. Not sure what you intend to invest in a new engine but you might want to review the specs on a F70 Yamaha. The lightest 70 four stroke available presently,it tips the scales at just over 250lbs and would run you just south of 10 bills with controls. I'm guessing that you could prop it with a 15 in. pitch and expect around 32-34 mph at wide open throttle with an average load.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Discussion about repower on Whaler forum.

http://continuouswave.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=3075
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Johninaustin
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RobertO wrote:
A quick search of post history seems to indicate that you are repowering a 17 ft. whaler. I would assume it is a Montauk model. Not sure what you intend to invest in a new engine but you might want to review the specs on a F70 Yamaha. The lightest 70 four stroke available presently,it tips the scales at just over 250lbs and would run you just south of 10 bills with controls. I'm guessing that you could prop it with a 15 in. pitch and expect around 32-34 mph at wide open throttle with an average load.


Actually, it's a restored 1971 Cohasset. Only 1500 were made, they predate the Montauk. Lighter, not as much freeboard for the same length. Weight of the boat itself is only about 800lbs. Notched transom.

Yamaha is off the table, simply costs too much with the quotes I'm getting

Jumping from a 60 to a larger block (70-75 hp) dramatically increases the weight on the transom, a transom designed for much lighter two-strokes. Right now the engine weighs right at 203 lbs. I'd like to stay as close to that as possible. Anything heavier would mean having to move batteries/fuel tanks etc in order to trim the boat and that's too much of a pain.

Right now i'm looking at Tohatsu's. But the lack of a local dealership makes that difficult.


I'm reaching the point that it just may be best to Ebay a used engine and install it myself or rebuild the current Honda.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got a 95' Whaler Dauntless 15 rigged with the original 70 two stroke which pushes it nicely. My hull weighs 850 , so I can see where a 60 on yours may be sufficient. Good luck in your search or whatever you decide to do. But yea, those new Yammies are expensive little muthas.
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landlocked beachbum
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As with all things, you get what you pay for, and the up front price must be amortized over the useful life of the product in question..... in other words, value for the dollars spent.

There is a VERY high end boat/yacht retailer in Destin called The Ships Chandlery. I stopped in there years ago to look at the new Pathfinders, which is the class of boats they offer among a few other brands. There were ONLY Yamahas on every OB boat on the lot. I asked the sales guy why, and he said "We've tried them all in the past, these don't break"!!! Shocked

Of course, any motor may eventually have problems, but his point was that they are simply more dependable than any other brand of outboard. Interestingly, Yamaha is the brand of outboard on the transoms of maybe 80-85% of the boats I see down there, and buddy boy, one sees a LOT of boats on any given summer day in Destin Harbor, in the pass and outside! There is also a Bas Pro there, and they of course sell only Mercury. Most of the boats with Mercury outboards just happen to have come from BPS.

Says a lot to me! Wink
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