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TroutSupport
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:53 am    Post subject: Better fish and where they are Reply with quote

Where are the better fish right now is a big question for those fishing the upper laguna, middle coast, and even the upper coast. It doesn't just apply to you guys.

One angler, on another board commented "If you are catching too many small trout then you are fishing too deep. All the 24 -27inch fish I've caught were shallow" . While partially true on the upper end.. the shallows have been reserved for the big trout category mostly with fish ranging 24 - 30 inches.. but there isn't a lot of them. Those big fish are up there eating big mullet and small trout. That's a BIG trout play. Most of the reports I see are a guy catching 20 -30 dinks and 1 - 27inch trout. That doesn't mean the answer is fishing shallow.

The real question is 'where are all the mid range trout' that are 18-24... that's the real question as most people fishing the grass flats, potholes, and edges right now are weeding through many, many, small 14inch fish to keep a handful of 15's and a token 16. In the heat of the summer the better 'mid range' fish are going deep and looking for structure and current. This has long been the case and is nothing really new. Some of the areas these fish are falling off into are not easy to fish, are ugly, and don't have a lot of real structure to pin point their locations such as the ICW, Lydia Ann Channel, LaQuinta Channel, Rocks along the pass, and of course the jetties although these are mostly the surf run trout. The surf itself has also been producing good mid range fish when the wind has allowed.

Some of the mid range trout will be caught at night, predawn, and very, very early on the flats adjacent to deep water like the ICW where there is also current. Some will also be caught on better oyster reef structure deep in Upper Aransas and Copano this summer. Sometimes you just have to go look where you're not supposed to, to find better fish. And some of these places are ugly and you have to grind to find a few mid range fish like working the drop off along the ICW.

Me, I focus on redfish during the summer and also sometimes sight casting to big trout. Summer is going to be the best time to catch reds on the flats and that should last all the way until almost Nov.

Ya'll have fun, hope that explains a little.
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DMAC
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:28 am    Post subject: Dinksville Reply with quote

Yessir, Mr.T, you got that dink part right. We have really been catchin' a bunch of 'em lately. Probably 10 to 1 dink to keeper, think there is just a bumper crop this year. And the reds have been few and far between. Did get a 28" trout a couple of weeks ago, mid-morning, on a deeper flat(4 to 5'). Don't know where she came from. Hey, wanna try some of your new lures, put me in for a bag of roaches, and pick me out a bag of something else. Lemme know. D
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tips are ALWAYS appreciated.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

found those 18-22" trout in deep channels feeding on 4-6" mullet. Very cool water with tons of mullet. I don't usually do so well with artificial, but had my limit in about a half an hour.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bryhn wrote:
found those 18-22" trout in deep channels feeding on 4-6" mullet. Very cool water with tons of mullet. I don't usually do so well with artificial, but had my limit in about a half an hour.


That's it right there.. BOOM!!! Deep with current.

Great work Guys.

DMAC For your area I'd go with Bone Diamond and Houdini. On dark water or in Baffin or Nueces that Golden Roach will be great as well. PM me.

I'll put the announcement thread up sometime today so ya'll can finally see it.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lots of rain last year and the year before. 2 years ago we had bazillions of blue crabs everywhere. plugging up water intakes, and getting in your face. They like that fresh water. I recall days in alazon fishing about a thousand yards south of the dirty fresh water line and absolutely crushing fish on top. the bite in alazon was insane last year. Fish are were in there this year, but I didn't do nearly as well as last year. I think it was all the run off coming down the creeks.

now, we have bazillions of 1 to 2 year old trout. coincidence? I don't think so. I think that's a result of the fresh water we had the last couple years.

the big fish are still there, they didn't go anywhere, I just see an abundance of small fish that get in the way. trout school, even the bigger fish will school up sometimes. It was about a year ago that I saw 6 30 inch range fish swimming together on the edge of the ICW a little ways south of here.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems like every time they changed the size minimum I always ran into a school of trout that were one inch too small. But this is very useful information appreciate it.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oil Field Trash II wrote:

the big fish are still there, they didn't go anywhere, I just see an abundance of small fish that get in the way. trout school, even the bigger fish will school up sometimes. It was about a year ago that I saw 6 30 inch range fish swimming together on the edge of the ICW a little ways south of here.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oil Field Trash II wrote:
lots of rain last year and the year before. 2 years ago we had bazillions of blue crabs everywhere. plugging up water intakes, and getting in your face. They like that fresh water. I recall days in alazon fishing about a thousand yards south of the dirty fresh water line and absolutely crushing fish on top. the bite in alazon was insane last year. Fish are were in there this year, but I didn't do nearly as well as last year. I think it was all the run off coming down the creeks.

now, we have bazillions of 1 to 2 year old trout. coincidence? I don't think so. I think that's a result of the fresh water we had the last couple years.

the big fish are still there, they didn't go anywhere, I just see an abundance of small fish that get in the way. trout school, even the bigger fish will school up sometimes. It was about a year ago that I saw 6 30 inch range fish swimming together on the edge of the ICW a little ways south of here.


TPWD did a presentation a few years back when they lowered the trout limits (pretty sure I saw you there?) that showed that trout spawn best when there's a drought, and then freshwater inflow...they've recorded this phenomenon for more than a few years now...but, the drough preceeding the inflows was an important precursor to a healthy spawn...

next few years should be off the chain for slot fish...
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