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osolonghorn
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 6:34 am    Post subject: afraid of a public vote Reply with quote

Why is the city council and all the buisnessmen afraid of the public voting on the beach closure issue? Let the people speak.... Government be for the people, by the people. I say put it to a vote and let the people decide for themselves. If it passes--so be it, if it fails--so be it....THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN!!! "nough said, thanks Osolonghorn
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 6:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In this day and age the people do not know what is best for them only the greedy are capable of knowing that.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was wondering the same thing, Carolyn McIntyre and that group "It's about time CC" says they don't want it to go to the voters. Why? They claim it costs 200,000 dollars for the elcection yet that parking lot on the seawall already cost 900,000 dollars plus the concrete boardwalk another 1.8 million. It does not make sense.
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The Trash Heap
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 7:58 am    Post subject: Already have elections set Reply with quote

The lamest excuse the Shexlickers have fielded so far is that one about the expense of the election. The City Council already pulled the teeth of that excuse by putting its cruddy version of the charter amendment for votes on future beach closures on the April 7, 2007 ballot, which I think is the same date of the next City Council election. Be sure to ask your candidate where he or she stands on beach closures, BTW. The possibility that having the beach closure issues appear on three places along with their names on that same ballot is scaring certain candidates silly, so they'd rather the petitions were turned in soon enogh to put the issues on the November 7, 2006 ballot, instead. Go read the minutes of the last Council meeting. http://www.cctexas.com/?fuseaction=main.view&page=39 Click on the April 18 agenda with attachments and then click on Attachment 1.

The real complaint I have about the C-T editorials and the Shexlickers' opposing votes placed on ballots by petition is that the right to do that is in the City Charter. The reason it's in the City Charter is so that if enough citizens believe the Council is not representing them properly, then the decision-making authority delegated to the Council reverts to the citizens. This is a democracy, and those the Shexlickers have the gall to call "againers" are damned well doing their civic duty by seeing it stays a democracy.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GO JOHNNY GO Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And after all that money spent, as usual low voter turnout were 10% of the people will decide it.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 11:31 am    Post subject: It Seems... Reply with quote

Simple enough to me on the outside looking in:

The number of signed petitions alone is evidence that enough potential voters value a $200,000 election for a decision by said voters to NOT spend multiples of that amount ($2,700,000) to fund the blocking of said voters' access to the beach.

That is exactly why a $200,000 ballot addition is worth the price of maintaining that democracy.

Can the BAC gather enough pledges to fund that ballot addition? You know damn good and well the funding is there to fight the pro-beach closure side of the issue. I'm up here in Oklahoma, but I will pledge $100 to insure that my vehicular access to the beach when I am down there on vacation is still available to me.

I guarantee I spend a pretty penny when I am down the for a week to 10 days at a whack to enjoy that priviledge. 1150 mile round trip, 10 miles per gallon at $3.00/gal just to get there and home, just for starters.

Now, there's my $100.02's worth. That's my challenge and I'm stickin' to it. And don't call me an outsider - I was born in Spohn Hospital in '52!
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knot



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 9:08 pm    Post subject: How can out-of-towners help? Reply with quote

Sorry for the ignorance. I just found out about this issue today while looking at reports. I live in Austin but love going(driving on) to PINS for fishing and family fun. I would hate to see the beach taken over by resorts that would limit access. Looks like petitions are only for corpus residents. How can out-of-towners show their support? Are their groups that are helping with the cause(CCA?) Most anglers would do their part to help, just got to let us know what to do.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 9:38 pm    Post subject: Knot Reply with quote

Knot,

Find out what you can from Johnny French. Talk it up via e-mail, phone, snail-mail, etc. with your like-minded buds. Start gathering the pledges required to ensure that the right agenda gets put on the ballot IN Corpus Christi. Johnny French should be able to at least point you in the right direction there. Go back on this site, ExtremeCoast.com, Breakawayusa.com, and other similar sites and educate yourself vis-a-vis an accurate grip of the issue(s) at hand. Go back to all your like-minded friends and pass the word, giving web-sites where they can pursue self-illumination of the same information. If any of them know somebody that can play a decisive role in redirecting focus then lean on them hard to do so.

If this battle gets lost, then the toe is in the door and no others will be easily dissuaded from pursuing other similar activities - and then voila - all readily accessible vehicular accessible beaches will be at risk, and soon to be populated with limited access to only people that have the financial resources to afford such. E-mail me for more info on how to pursue only if you really want to fight this activity you have read about here and are willing to make the effort to fight for your rights.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 4:45 am    Post subject: Publicity, Elected Reps, Money Reply with quote

Right now, the priority is for spreading the news, both in Corpus Christi and to other parts of Texas and the USA. The success of the petition drive requires the former, but the long-term solution could involve at least the Commissioner of the Texas General Land Office and the State Legislature. If the City Council of Corpus Christi knew that the TGLO would not approve any beach closures motivated by developers' demands, or that legislation was being considered to close that loophole in the Texas Open Beaches Act, the Council might back off.

The BAC never got to the stage of soliciting money outside its own members because its first petition drive was killed by the Council. At some point after the latest petition drive is successful, it'll have to register as a political action group or something similar so that it can accept donations. I know nothing about that currently, but will when the time comes. I do know that the developer and his cronies have deep pockets and the sympathy of the Caller-Times' editorial board, so little David BAC is up against a big Goliath.

Right now, send letters and emails to every newspaper and government entity you know, and keep your eyes on this board and the BreakawayUSA.com board. Tyler has a LTTE in the Caller-Times today that I'll post later as an example.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 4:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The city council would have us believe this is a Corpus Christi issue. I say its a Texas issue. Its the Texas open beaches act not the CC open beaches act.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually it could be concidered a national issue. There are a lot of people who enjoy coming to our beachs during the winter from all over the country and Canada. And they either camp on the beachs or bring their motor homes and camp on the beaches. If our beaches are closed to vehicular traffic then the repercussions will be felt all over the USA. In my job I see the ID's of a lot of people and I have seen people from every state in the union so far this year in Corpus Christ and they are all amazed and thrilled that they could actually drive on the beaches. This is the only area in the US that you can drive on the beaches the way we do and enjoy the beach and the surf. DONT LET IT DISAPPEAR.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jerry, you are right. The beaches belong to the people of Texas, as public property. The city only manages those beaches. The city counsil wants to restrict every Texan's rights to help this developer up his condos and hotle rooms' prices.

It isn't right.

That is why it is important for everyone outside of Corpus Christi to write or call their state legislators and write to their local newspaper's editor about the issue.

I have an article which is going to printed soon in the SA Express-News, however, I do not know when, and I won't likely know, because I do not have a subscription. Laughing
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