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Romann
Pony Mullet
Joined: 10 Jun 2007
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Location: West of the Oso
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 Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 9:04 pm Post subject: Stinky Laguna Tuna |
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According to this story:
http://www.kristv.com/videoplayer/?video_id=35067&categories=303
or printed version:
By Heather Jackson
KRIS-TV
updated 6/12/2013 7:45:53 PM ET 2013-06-12T23:45:53
If you've taken a trip over the JFK Causeway recently it's quite possible you've noticed a foul smell coming off the water. One resident is worried the stinky Laguna Madre is affecting the wildlife.
"This area, this water used to be pristine green blue," Sid Walsh, a Flour Bluff resident remembers.
Sid Walsh has lived in the area near Laguna Madre for over 40 years. The dirty water near Laguna Shores Road is surrounded by what looks like brown hair and that worries Walsh.
"There was a lot of sand. There is no sand, the water is brown, the fish are gone, the birds are gone," Walsh says.
He says it is all because what he calls poisonous gas coming off of the dead seagrass.
"The bay is polluted and it smells bad. And right now (our) eyes are burning and it is hard to breath because of the dead grass," Walsh explains.
Somebody please validate the fact that "When the water is brown; the fish are gone; the birds are gone; and you have lived here for over 40 years, apparently your mind is also gone. Since I'm only one year away, shud I be gettin wurried!
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huntnetime
Flour Bluffian in training
Joined: 13 Nov 2007
Posts: 405
Location: Da Bluff
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| Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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| This brown tide sucks and all as well as the dead sea grass piling up along Laguna Shores. But people need to stop acting like it is some kind of toxic waste land devoid of all life forms. Take a ride down Laguna Shores or the causeway any day. There are laughing gulls everywhere, blue herons, snowy egrets, white pelicans, rosette spoonbills, etc. They are all along the shoreline. I hate the funk smell, the tea stained water and the dead sea grass as much as the next guy, but people need to stop making claims that just aren't true... |
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shallowsport
Full Grown Flour Bluffian
Joined: 07 Jun 2006
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Location: Flour Bluff/Kingsville
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| Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 1:28 am Post subject: |
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Brown tide just plain *****. The facts are, that I live maybe 200 feet off the waters of the Laguna Madre. The piles of grass along the shoreline is about like usual. Bluffs Landing & Laguna Shores Marina are constantly raking the grass out of their launch areas. That a normal thing.
Bird activity, may be down some, but not much.
My, unscientific theory, is that this is drought related. If we can get a good flow of water into the system I feel things will get better. The bay is very stressed right now. |
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ironmanstan
Exalted Ruler of Flour Bluff
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I live on Laguna Shores . I'm not complaining it's Mother Nature. Raise the causeway get rid of the damn it wasn't always there. You gotta flush the toilet sometimes. A big rain would help, maybe like 20 inches of good rainfall.
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shorty
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Location: Corpus
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| Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 5:27 am Post subject: |
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ill agree with Stan,the Bay system needs a good flushing,its been a long time.Oso ?,well...i do think it has something to do with construction,run off.  |
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FIDO
Full Grown Flour Bluffian
Joined: 19 Feb 2009
Posts: 1058
Location: Aransas Pass, TEXAS
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| Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:21 am Post subject: |
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| ironmanstan wrote: | | I live on Laguna Shores . I'm not complaining it's Mother Nature. Raise the causeway get rid of the damn it wasn't always there. You gotta flush the toilet sometimes. A big rain would help, maybe like 20 inches of good rainfall. |
Raising the causeway seems too good to be true. Especially when they just rehabbed the entire thing.
I remember hearing that raising it would be an engineering nightmare because of what the bottom is like. That it is nothing like the bottom down in South Padre. I don't remember where I heard that. Could have been here. Does anyone know anything about that aspect?
Would it work to have sections that were raised? Like a dozen or so breaks in the causeway water could freely flow?
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Central Scrutinizer
Full Grown Flour Bluffian
Joined: 14 Jul 2009
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Location: Flour Bluff
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| Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:12 am Post subject: |
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| FIDO wrote: | | I remember hearing that raising it would be an engineering nightmare because of what the bottom is like. |
Nightmare or not, raising the causeway is not going to solve the problem. As visible as it it, it's not the root of the circulation story.
In this image, I traced the historical path of water being pushed north by the southeast winds that blow pretty much all the time. Image that deep area (without all of the modifications we have made in the northern area) that runs the length of the King Ranch shoreline, along Laguna Shores, and out to CC Bay (and you really have to us your imagination to "see" Dimmitt Island not connected to the Naval Air Station).
Now, dredge away and make Sulfur Roads, all the oil and gas wells and access channels, the crash channels, etc., etc., etc.
Now, add in the "dam" of the causeway and leave only an opening at Humble Channel (relatively shallow), the ICW (much deeper), and the Island Channel (also relatively shallow). Do this 60+ years ago. That's an important point!!!
If the causeway was the problem, don't you think that we would have seen the "problems" in the Laguna pop up way before now. It's not like the area has not seen a drought before?!?!
Even if you raised the causeway, circulation is still limited at the connection with CC Bay by structures that have always been there.
The areas marked in red represent a natural "dam" at the northern part of the Laguna, and even if the entire length of the causeway were to be raised, nearly all circulation would still take place through the ICW. It simple fluid dynamics.
The system as a whole does need a good flushing, but the causeway is not the plug that is stopping up the sewer system.
One other thing to note on the recent outbreak of brown tide and all of the "grass" that is piling up along Laguna Shores. It has always happened, and has ALWAYS been there. That smell is something that can be traced back to some of my earliest memories of the 'Bluff', and if everyone was honest with themselves, they would admit to the same thing. Has it gotten worse in the past 10 years or so? Yes. And the reason why is the type of grass washing up now, especially the loads of green blades, happen to be a species of grass that was never seen in the Laguna before (manatee grass). This species has a much thicker cell wall and they tend to break down much slower than shoal grass, leading to the huge amounts of wrack piling up.
Why the grasses slough off their blades in response to the stress of the brown tide (and the roots and rhizomes are still there, so the grass is not really dead!!  ) is a conversation for another thread.
But the Causeway is not the real problem. Its the re-plumbing of the Upper Laguna Madre that has taken place that is the problem. |
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Drake
Full Grown Flour Bluffian
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Location: Arkansas
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| Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:15 am Post subject: |
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Have there been any studies on the impact of invasive species like manatee grass on the overall ecology of the LM? I don't completely follow what you mean by complete re-plumbing of the ULM?
Thank you for your insight and info. It is always appreciated. |
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ironmanstan
Exalted Ruler of Flour Bluff
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| Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:14 am Post subject: |
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| FIDO wrote: | | ironmanstan wrote: | | I live on Laguna Shores . I'm not complaining it's Mother Nature. Raise the causeway get rid of the damn it wasn't always there. You gotta flush the toilet sometimes. A big rain would help, maybe like 20 inches of good rainfall. |
Raising the causeway seems too good to be true. Especially when they just rehabbed the entire thing.
I remember hearing that raising it would be an engineering nightmare because of what the bottom is like. That it is nothing like the bottom down in South Padre. I don't remember where I heard that. Could have been here. Does anyone know anything about that aspect?
Would it work to have sections that were raised? Like a dozen or so breaks in the causeway water could freely flow? |
Well they could have put a number of pipe systems through it.
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flounder daddy
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| shorty wrote: | | ill agree with Stan,the Bay system needs a good flushing,its been a long time.Oso ?,well...i do think it has something to do with construction,run off. |
The oso is the chocolate color due to the clay/mud bottom. Been that way for my entire live. If you look at the matagorda bay area, sabine lake, and areas around galveston, its all the same as the oso for the most part. Its clear as day on google earth. |
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