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Central Scrutinizer Full Grown Flour Bluffian

Joined: 14 Jul 2009 Posts: 3583 Location: Flour Bluff
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 9:24 am Post subject: OK Feds, What Now??? (Protected vs Threatened species) |
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[Sorry for the epic fail on the original multiple posts - It was a website formatting issue]
Here is an interesting story about a fight between the Fed's and the tree hugger/PETA crowd. Funny stuff, once again pointing out the "Law of Unintended Consequences". Bit of a long read, but the Cliff Notes version is a protected species (marine mammal) is wrecking havoc on a threatened species (salmon), and the two groups are fighting over a equitable solution:
Protected sea lions gorge on threatened salmon
A controversial cull of California sea lions in the Columbia River to conserve salmon may leave field open for a new predator.
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Sea lions are devouring threatened salmon populations at the Bonneville Dam in the Columbia river.
What do you do when a charismatic marine mammal is wreaking havoc by gorging on a threatened species that humans also find delicious? That is the awkward problem faced by wildlife managers along the Columbia River in Washington and Oregon states, where sea lions have been congregating for the past decade to feast on salmon waiting to climb the fish ladders at the base of the Bonneville Dam on their spring voyage upriver to spawn.
To protect the Chinook salmon (Oncorhynchus tshawytscha) and steelhead (Oncorhynchus mykiss) in the river, some of which are listed as threatened populations, in 2008 the states of Washington and Oregon obtained permission from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration in Silver Spring, Maryland, to kill California sea lions (which are normally protected) seen feeding repeatedly at the dam, after attempts to frighten the animals away proved ineffective.
In response, the Humane Society of the United States, based in Washington DC, and others filed a lawsuit to stop the practice and their legal challenges have continued. A US district court in Portland, Oregon, is expected to hear full arguments for a final ruling in the next few weeks. In the meantime, more than 40 California sea lions have been killed and 11 transferred to aquaria and zoos.
Survey data collected by the US Army Corps of Engineers during the years of the cull show that numbers of California sea lions (Zalophus californianus) are decreasing at the dam, along with the amount of salmon they eat. The corps and others attribute this to the removal programme.
Muscling in
But the cull may have been too successful. Last year, the larger Steller sea lions (Eumetopias jubatus), which arrived in earnest at the dam in 2005 and have returned in greater numbers each year, outnumbered California sea lions for the first time and ate fully half of the predated salmon.
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Uncle D Full Grown Flour Bluffian

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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 9:32 am Post subject: |
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Central Scrutinizer Full Grown Flour Bluffian

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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 9:36 am Post subject: |
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| Uncle D wrote: | | Spammed??? |
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Crash Flour Bluffian in training

Joined: 03 Feb 2012 Posts: 299 Location: Flour Bluff
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 9:38 am Post subject: |
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Its our fault for building the dams and making it easy for the sea lions. _________________
Me and DR fishing Pita Island November 2010 |
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Oil Field Trash II Full Grown Flour Bluffian
Joined: 25 Mar 2008 Posts: 1560
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 10:38 am Post subject: |
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| But seal lions are cute and fuzzy !! And they make that "honk honk" sound and clap their fins together. |
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The Trash Heap Full Grown Flour Bluffian

Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 1932 Location: Corpus Christi
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 11:59 am Post subject: |
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| Oil Field Trash II wrote: | | But seal lions are cute and fuzzy !! And they make that "honk honk" sound and clap their fins together. |
Politicians are often cute, their logic's fuzzy, they make that same honking noise, and they also clap their fins together, especially at conventions, but I'd much rather shoot those, too, than share salmon with 'em  _________________ The Trash Heap Has Spoken!
NNYYAAAHH!!! |
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Jason Slocum Flour Bluffian in training
Joined: 22 Mar 2006 Posts: 328
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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Shoot them both with toxic shot, and have fish fry , is what I would do.
I'm sure the feds will spend 20 million to study the problem, and determine a long term study is needed while both species go extinct in the mean time. |
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The Trash Heap Full Grown Flour Bluffian

Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 1932 Location: Corpus Christi
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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All kidding aside, this is hardly the first time prey and predator have been threatened with extinction, like the piping plover and the peregrine falcon. It certainly won't be the last such situation because co-evolution results in co-dependence.
This is hardly a new understanding, either:
| Quote: | If all the beasts were gone,
men would die
from a great loneliness of spirit,
for whatever happens to the beasts
also happens to the man.
All things are connected.
Whatever befalls the Earth
befalls the sons of the Earth. | ― Chief Seattle _________________ The Trash Heap Has Spoken!
NNYYAAAHH!!! |
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Bluffer Full Grown Flour Bluffian

Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 4858 Location: The Bluff...Bring back the Porch!
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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| The Trash Heap wrote: | | Oil Field Trash II wrote: | | But seal lions are cute and fuzzy !! And they make that "honk honk" sound and clap their fins together. |
Politicians are often cute, their logic's fuzzy, they make that same honking noise, and they also clap their fins together, especially at conventions, but I'd much rather shoot those, too, than share salmon with 'em  |
Isnt it open season on donkeys in Nov?  _________________ -STAY THIRSTY MY FRIENDS!- |
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