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Tyler Site Admin

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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 6:46 am Post subject: PINS Press Release RE: Surfcats Tournament |
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(Corpus Christi, TX)-Superintendent Joe Escoto announced Padre Island National Seashore will not allow Surf Cats of Texas participants to utilize the National Seashore for the Surf Cats 25th Annual Big Shell Surf Fishing Classic on October 9-11, 2009.
Surf Cats of Texas event organizers did not obtain a Special Use Permit (SUP); therefore, tournament participants fishing within the boundaries of the National Seashore could be prosecuted if found to be fishing within park boundaries. Signs will be posted at beach access roads notifying tournament participants.
SUP’s are regulated by the National Park Service pursuant to authorities contained in 16 USC Sec.3a, 16 USC 1-4, and Director’s Order 53. For more information regarding the SUP program, please write to Padre Island National Seashore, ATTN: SUP Coordinator, P.O. Box 181300, Corpus Christi, TX 78480-1300 or call 361-949-9238, extension 33. |
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slikster111 Pony Mullet
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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 7:21 am Post subject: |
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| This guy really knows how to win the publics approval. Does that mean they are going to ticket every fisherman on PINS that weekend? Should make for an interesting class action suit. |
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topdog15 Full Grown Flour Bluffian

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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 7:23 am Post subject: |
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| slikster111 wrote: | | This guy really knows how to win the publics approval. Does that mean they are going to ticket every fisherman on PINS that weekend? Should make for an interesting class action suit. |
It's not hard to pick out the surfcats. Just look for the trashed out campsite.
I think the general public would agree w/ them disallowing the surfcats tournament on PINS. It really boils down to the fact that they failed to attain the proper permit. _________________ "Ya'll must eat a lot of fish" |
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Tyler Site Admin

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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 8:01 am Post subject: |
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David Sikes and I were thinking the same thing about how you are going to prosecute someone for legally fishing with a permit they bought to be on the Seashore. He brought up the Star Tournament.
Since the Seashore could be considered part of the Star Tournament I guess you could ticket someone who caught a tagged red on PINS. But the park does have rules for those who are organizing a gathering of more than 20 people. |
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Lost Cajun Flour Bluffian in training

Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 474 Location: Midland, TX
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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 8:07 am Post subject: |
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| slikster111 wrote: | | This guy really knows how to win the publics approval. Does that mean they are going to ticket every fisherman on PINS that weekend? Should make for an interesting class action suit. |
"Prosecuted" probably doesn't mean ticketed. And it would be difficult to win a Class Action suit if every one in the class was found guilty of a crime.
I'm Not taking a side on this, just a reality check. |
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txsport Pony Mullet
Joined: 12 Oct 2006 Posts: 53 Location: San Antonio
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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:20 am Post subject: what about all the other tournaments |
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| there are a lot of tournaments where people fish from and around Bird Island, PINS and enter their fish at these tournaments. Each tournament has its baggage but some contestants are worse than others. Not sure how they can enforce this if someone pays their entrance fees and meet all of the requirements. |
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Skillzzz9 Member White Shrimper Boot Club

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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:52 am Post subject: |
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Is it a problem of the tournament being held on the beach, are they doing the weigh-in there or is it just random people using the beach to fish. I think intentions have to be weighed here. The whole beach is open to fishing and the weigh and is in Padre Balli Park (Bob Hall). I don't think the park has a leg to stand on.
I know that traditionally the surf cats have been the messiest group of people, but what can we do? _________________
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Tyler Site Admin

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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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| The park told us they have to bring in extra rangers to manage that large group and it costs them money which is why they are charging a hefty permit fee to Sharkathon. |
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skunked Member White Shrimper Boot Club

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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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| It's funny that they will try to regulate tounament anglers on the beach, but the redfish tournament anglers are free to roam the park in their boats. |
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Big John Full Grown Flour Bluffian

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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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Does it apply to the part of the beach south of the sticks only, or does it apply to the north beach area in Kleberg thsat is free use too?
If so, that could really limit the area that anglers can fish.
I'm not against tourney's in general, but I do have to say that I have been down the beach several times after the surf cats tourneys and many of the anglers leave behind a lot of trash at their sites. More than most tourneys.
I still say the best way to prevent that is to have a trash bag rule. You do not get to weigh in unless you provide a trash bag full per person. Or have a trash deposit. $20 on top of the netry fee. If you don't bring back your trash, the deposit is donated to clean-up organizations like Sandifer's or sunny beaches. |
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The Trash Heap Full Grown Flour Bluffian

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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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Since the PINS superintendent has no choice in the matter of requiring a SUP, don't blame him for it. It's bad enough being saddled with the thankless task of trying to enforce a regulation he didn't write.
The organizers of Surfcats and other fishing tournaments have 3 choices, one illegal, two not. The illegal choice is to defy the regulation in letter and spirit. A second choice is to get a SUP, like Sharkathon's organizers did. The third choice is not to get the SUP, but make it a tournament rule to disqualify anyone found on PINS. That third choice depends on an honor system, so enforcement is still a problem, but it's a problem both the organizers and the PINS rangers can work together to solve. Perhaps the simplest thing to do would be to cruise PINS and take pictures of the fishermen during the tournament days. Smile, you're not going to win that prize!
Hope nobody suffocates by hiding in the ice chest while the photography is going on.  _________________ The Trash Heap Has Spoken!
NNYYAAAHH!!! |
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Mansfield Mauler Flour Bluffian in training

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Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:26 am Post subject: |
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| wow...how stupid |
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RodBreaker Member White Shrimper Boot Club
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Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:31 am Post subject: |
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Tyler, do you recall your post from September 4, 2008? They had their chance last year to get a permit but instead they changed their rules to say "All fishing must be done from Port Aransas TO THE SOUTH. South boundary is at the contestant’s discretion." They thumbed their noses at the park so I don't think they deserve any sympathy.
| Tyler wrote: | "According to Dimitra Guerrero, Public Affairs Specialist at the park:
"The Surf Cats have not applied for a permit; therefore, activity from the tournament should not take place within park boundaries. The Surf Cats are welcome to apply for a permit and work out an agreement with park management to utilize the park; however, if a permit is not acquired, participants and tournament organizers within park boundaries may receive fines for operating without a permit.
The Surf Cat organizers have been approached by park staff and encouraged to set the tournament's southern boundary at the National Seashore's northernmost boundary. At the writing of this message, I do not believe that they have made the changes to their website." |
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Tyler Site Admin

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Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:35 am Post subject: |
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| RodBreaker wrote: | Tyler, do you recall your post from September 4, 2008? They had their chance last year to get a permit but instead they changed their rules to say "All fishing must be done from Port Aransas TO THE SOUTH. South boundary is at the contestant’s discretion." They thumbed their noses at the park so I don't think they deserve any sympathy.
| Tyler wrote: | "According to Dimitra Guerrero, Public Affairs Specialist at the park:
"The Surf Cats have not applied for a permit; therefore, activity from the tournament should not take place within park boundaries. The Surf Cats are welcome to apply for a permit and work out an agreement with park management to utilize the park; however, if a permit is not acquired, participants and tournament organizers within park boundaries may receive fines for operating without a permit.
The Surf Cat organizers have been approached by park staff and encouraged to set the tournament's southern boundary at the National Seashore's northernmost boundary. At the writing of this message, I do not believe that they have made the changes to their website." |
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Yes I agree I think they should have to pay the permit, but just wondering how they can prosecute someone for fishing who has a pass or has paid the entrance fee to the park. |
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Capt Mike Singleterry Full Grown Flour Bluffian
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Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 9:23 am Post subject: |
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| Tyler wrote: | | RodBreaker wrote: | Tyler, do you recall your post from September 4, 2008? They had their chance last year to get a permit but instead they changed their rules to say "All fishing must be done from Port Aransas TO THE SOUTH. South boundary is at the contestant’s discretion." They thumbed their noses at the park so I don't think they deserve any sympathy.
| Tyler wrote: | "According to Dimitra Guerrero, Public Affairs Specialist at the park:
"The Surf Cats have not applied for a permit; therefore, activity from the tournament should not take place within park boundaries. The Surf Cats are welcome to apply for a permit and work out an agreement with park management to utilize the park; however, if a permit is not acquired, participants and tournament organizers within park boundaries may receive fines for operating without a permit.
The Surf Cat organizers have been approached by park staff and encouraged to set the tournament's southern boundary at the National Seashore's northernmost boundary. At the writing of this message, I do not believe that they have made the changes to their website." |
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Yes I agree I think they should have to pay the permit, but just wondering how they can prosecute someone for fishing who has a pass or has paid the entrance fee to the park. |
Tyler this situation with the park is alot like the situation the Park Super. put the guides in back in March. We were told we would need to buy a permit to fish inside the park boundry. We would also be given a ticket for running our boats inside the park without a permit even if we didn't fish there, because they didn't know if we had fished inside the park or not and we could hash it out in court.
End results....the guides can run their boat in the park without buying a permit even if they didn't fish there.
I really don't care about the tournament but sometimes the PINS supervision doesn't really make alot of sense.
Mike |
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