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Old salt Horse Mullet
Joined: 07 Mar 2006 Posts: 147
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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:40 pm Post subject: CAC INPUT |
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Many people do not know the difficult battles to keep full open beach access we face. I would appeciate it if some of you guys, many of whom are my friends (guides (Sandifer, bay guys), junior game wardens, fishermen, Sharkathon old friends, etc.) would provide some input on how CAC can protect our beach from the oncoming access problems.
You don't have to join us, but don't be scared!
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rabbit Full Grown Flour Bluffian

Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 3835 Location: FLOUR BLUFF
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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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Proposition 9 should have taken care of that. _________________ Fishing and Kayaking its a rough life but somebody has to do it. |
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Old salt Horse Mullet
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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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| All input, in any way, has a positive effect--not kidding! |
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ehuntingdaddy Horse Mullet

Joined: 26 Oct 2007 Posts: 140 Location: Kingsville
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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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Prop 9 will get crapped on by the Feds first chance they get. The could care less about state beach regs. Kinda like how they think they should be able to regulate fishing to a different standard on the east side of the laguna adjacent to the island, despite the state having statutory authority over the fish and game resources.
PINS's disturbing turn in management focus has to be dealt with at a higher level than CAC is attempting. A top down approach is needed. Its no accident that influential folks (with $) like Bass and Fondren were able to start and carry through with CCA's mission. I personally think CCA should be all over this like madmen, but for some reason they are lambs to the slaughter, at least publicly, and that is disappointing to me. How in the hell is this not an issue that is all over the tide magazine?
Find a legislator (at the federal level) to champion this. . Maybe national legislation to protect beach access could be pushed through some day. Hunting groups are pushing back against this same type of oppressive "run sportsmen off" attitude across the nation. The result, bills like many recent ones that confirm or solidify the rights of outdoorsmen. Ortiz is of no use, but Sen. Cornyn is receptive to this issue, and aware of it.
If his office got a decent, well thought out letter from every person who has an account on this board, it would make a difference. Letters from city councilmen, economic groups, and tourism groups sent on behalf of the effort would also hit a big lick. |
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Old salt Horse Mullet
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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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| ehuntingdaddy wrote: | I personally think CCA should be all over this like madmen, but for some reason they are lambs to the slaughter, at least publicly, and that is disappointing to me. How in the hell is this not an issue that is all over the tide magazine?
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I certainly wish they would show up to the party. CCA is THE landmark recreational fishing organization, but they cannot move fast because of their size. CCA seems to be evolving (slowly) to a friend of access though. CAC is a finger mullet, CCA is a tiger shark. |
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Tarzan Member White Shrimper Boot Club

Joined: 07 Mar 2006 Posts: 675 Location: ICU
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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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Just a crazy idea Old Salt...but how about focusing a bit of attention on the violation of rights against people for a while. Enough about the @#$%)(* turtles and speed limits. You are an attorney so you may know this but your average "Joe" does not. If you are pulled over by a "ranger" in a national park and asked to submit to a blood test and refuse....you just committed a class B misdemeanor, punishable by 6 months in federal prison, a $5,000 fine and up to 5 years probation. Really!!!!!! In my opinion, the NPS has you guys running around in circles worrying about petty BS while they pick us off one by one. Maybe the oldest trick in the book.....Get rid of the "enemy" one by one and there is no more fight. The problem at PINS as right now is not about Turtles or speed limits (though that is another control issue)...but about the blatant abuse of our rights to "enjoy" our AND I MEAN OUR..natural resource... They have you looking at their left and waving pretty shapes in the air while their right hand is balled up into a fist ready for the right moment to knock you out....
later,
Ernie _________________ " Good God, somebody get me a nurse " |
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Old salt Horse Mullet
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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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Ernie,
Sadly enough, you are right. |
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Tarzan Member White Shrimper Boot Club

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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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Old Salt, please...PLEASE PLEASE do not ever give up the fight. I will stand with you all day and every day...That is written in stone my friend. I think that American citizens as a whole are so misled. We think that these guys are our masters...THEY ARE OUR EMPLOYEES!!!!!!!!!!!! Think about it guys..if we stopped paying taxes, and the gov't money ran out...these guys would be flipping burgers at Mickey Dees. We as a generation did not create this monster but we need to stop it in its tracks before it is too late. BTW.. I would start to like Cicken.....(Chickenfoot that is) LOOOOOOL
later bra,
Ernie _________________ " Good God, somebody get me a nurse " |
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Rudy Member White Shrimper Boot Club
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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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Scott, IMO the best thing for the PAIS is to fire Escoto.
The surrounding area beaches need constant pressure on the politicians that regulate them. People need to be educated about beach issues and made aware about how easy it is to lose them. Signs need to be posted, flyers need to be handed out and rallys need to be held. |
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Tarzan Member White Shrimper Boot Club

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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 12:46 am Post subject: |
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| Rudy wrote: | Scott, IMO the best thing for the PAIS is to fire Escoto.
The surrounding area beaches need constant pressure on the politicians that regulate them. People need to be educated about beach issues and made aware about how easy it is to lose them. Signs need to be posted, flyers need to be handed out and rallys need to be held. |
Rudy, I am sad to say that it is just plain time to do some terminating. We need to say " You work for us and you have failed miserably: " Goodbye and good luck!!!!!! Think before you vote and stay on their case. What if you worked at Mc dees and pissed off every third customer...you would be unemployed and homeless......with your children.....I say shape up or ship out..NPS...It is not that hard..bust the criminals (drug runners...etc) but do not harrass the normal guy(and his wife) spending a nice day fishing THEIR beach...period....
later,
Ernie _________________ " Good God, somebody get me a nurse " |
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larry meinert Member White Shrimper Boot Club
Joined: 29 Jul 2006 Posts: 886 Location: Dallas Texas
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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:18 am Post subject: |
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They picked me off.
I spent as many as 6 weeks a year camping and fishing on PINS over the past 30 years. I spent 2 or 3 hundred bucks down there each time for gas, food and tequila. I will never come back.
They pulled my sister in law over for a tail light. They made her take a sobriety test, which she passed, because my brother a passenger had been drinking. When they told her to blow is spite of passing the sobriety test, she told them they were harassing her which they were. They hand cuffed her and charged her with DUI and she got a free ride to Rockport at 7 pm on the 4ty of July. Her case was dismissed but it cost her $2500 for the lawyer. So much for the designated driver.
We take our money to Matagorda. We will never be back. |
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ltorna1 Full Grown Flour Bluffian
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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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that sucks larry, especially because she was the DD. Why didn't she take the test though and shut them up? Seems like an expensive way to learn the lesson: "always cooperate with rangers/police". _________________ ...if my boss ever finds this forum I'll be unemployed... |
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Tarzan Member White Shrimper Boot Club

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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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| ltorna1 wrote: | | that sucks larry, especially because she was the DD. Why didn't she take the test though and shut them up? Seems like an expensive way to learn the lesson: "always cooperate with rangers/police". |
It is called the 5th.....free country...right??????
Ernie _________________ " Good God, somebody get me a nurse " |
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Old salt Horse Mullet
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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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That's a shame Larry.
Not all the rangers are like that--PINS really does have a number of good rangers. |
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robul Full Grown Flour Bluffian

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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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| ltorna1 wrote: | | that sucks larry, especially because she was the DD. Why didn't she take the test though and shut them up? Seems like an expensive way to learn the lesson: "always cooperate with rangers/police". |
Yeah she learned a lesson alright. The lesson that the freedoms we used to enjoy flew out the window a long time ago.
What a joke!!
I haven't been to the seashore in over a year! and I wont be back anytime soon!!
Sorry to hear about her misfortune Larry. I'm not much for lawsuits but I'm pretty sure Id pay as many dollars as it took to insure that Ranger lost his job for harassment. |
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