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BayFly
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2024 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It will surprise me if this remains to be the case for long, because fees paid by the public for use of the ramp would help offset the cost accruing to the condo owners, thus they will want the fee collection from the public to continue. I'm not necessarily in favor of that, but it seems only logical in lieu of efforts to secure the ramp somehow with obsticles or personnel.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2024 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bluff Landing Marina Condominium Comm8nity Manual 49 pages


https://nueces.tx.publicsearch.us/doc/208495751

Declaration of Condominium Regime Bluff Landing Marina Condominiums 119pp

https://nueces.tx.publicsearch.us/doc/208493964

Bluff Landing Condominium Shoreline and Marina Slip Maintenance Easement and Designation of Service Area 18 pp

https://nueces.tx.publicsearch.us/doc/208493333

Boat Ramp Easement Agreement (Hawkins Family) 10pp

https://nueces.tx.publicsearch.us/doc/208493083

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A. Grantor (Hawkins Family) , as the fee simple owner of that certain real property legally described as Tract AR, Tyler Subdivision, an addition...Nueces County, Texas according to the plat recorded in Vol 46, p6, Official Public Records of Nueces County, Texas (the "Marina Tract"). Located within the boundaries of the Marina Tract is a boat ramp that allows watercraft to access the waters of Corpus Christi Bay (the "Boat Ramp"0.
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E. Grantor , as the fee simple owner of the Marina Tract has agreed to grant Grantee, as fee simple owner of the Dry Boat Storage Tract, a perpetual non-exclusive easement over and across a portion of the Marina Tract described as "The Boat Ramp Easement Tract" on Exhibit A attached hereto (the "boat Ramp Easement Tract") for the access and use of the Boat Ramp, as set forth herein.

1, Grant of The Boat Ramp Easement.
Grantor does hereby grant to Grantee a perpetual non-exclusive easement over and across the Boat Ramp Easement Tract for pedestrian and vehicular ingress and egress over and across the Boat Ramp, and use of the same for purposes of accessing the Corpus Christi Bay with watercraft (the "Boat Ramp Easement")

more in there about Permitted Uses, transfer to a "Condo or Marina Association", Rules etc etc See the link to get into depth on all of this

The fly in the ointment is the granting of an easement with "perpetual non-exclusive" in the description. If an easement is non-exclusive, who else has rights to that easement? Sounds almost like a Quitclaim deed of a non-exclusive easement.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2024 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

General Land Office lease agreement of marina:

https://nueces.tx.publicsearch.us/doc/199757094
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2024 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Somebody needs to explain that in non-legalese
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2024 8:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Ramp/land ownership under the water... Reply with quote

KingKilla wrote:
If an area is dredged out of uplands and MADE into water then the State does not claim the land under the water. The land is still privately owned but the water is public. State-owned submerged land is only present under naturally occurring bay bottom.

Best example I can give is the boat ramps and canals on the island and in the Bluff. Anyone can use the canals to boat in (State-owned water) but you can not use their boat ramps, moor your boat, etc. as the land is still privately owned. This is also why Zia and others who own canal homes do not need GLO (State) permits to build their docks. The State does not claim jurisdiction there since it was dredged from uplands.


Not entirely correct, because of a USCG agreement you can use all the ramps on the island, you just cannot park on their property. The PIPOA is aware of this, which is why they always check the parked vehicles, but do not mess with people actively using the ramps. Up until I started using Boat Stop recently, we always launched at the ramp by Whataburger on the island, and 9 times out of 10 the PIPOA ramp person would be at that ramp, never once questioned. Try to park at the ramp, and its an entirely different story, they can and will tow you away in a heartbeat. Seen a handful towed away.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2024 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tailstalker, tell us about your experience with Boat Stop, please?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2024 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BayFly wrote:
Tailstalker, tell us about your experience with Boat Stop, please?


So far so good. This is month 4 for renting the unit, with no complaints. Marina has been nice and easy to use, and the on site boat wash/flush at the units is a nice bonus. It does get busy on the weekends, but they have 3 bays (1 currently down) and another 2 bays to finish out. It is pricey compared to other units, but the perks do help justify that. Over the last 25 years off and on I've rented at the old Laguna Shores barns at Yorktown/Laguna Shores, Anchor Storage on Waldron (twice), AAA Boat Storage on Stone (3 times) and Riteplace next to Funtrackers. Boat Stop us the priciest for sure, but the nicest by far of all the ones I have had.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2024 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Central Scrutinizer wrote:
Becky......
Thoughts? Inquiring minds want to know.
(I have my 'thesis' on the issue formulated, but am still laying low - even if I'm recently retired).
CS


I've read a copy of the notice that was sent out, and it appears that they are indeed trying to sell their slips to their high-end customers (and Austin friends) under the pretense of "kicking out the local riff-raff"....it will be interesting to attend the live auction on site on August 24th...their website doesn't have a list of everything for sale; you have to request that via email...

I've been in contact with "Papa" (of Mimi's and Papas) and he has been contacting the news, expect a story to be done sometime this week...this of course will negatively affect his business (and the guides, and Sea Tow, and Gundvordahl Marine Mechanic, etc)..

I"m extremely pissed as I live around the corner and have been using that ramp to launch my skiffs since sometime in the mid 1980's....we're kind of scrambling, and I've been in touch with our District 4 rep and a few others...working on alternatives, because that was the last public launch in Flour Bluff...but we're not giving up yet, and we hope they fall flat on their face...we're all kind of scratching our heads on their "business model"....seems they're actively trying to fail...
stay tuned
becky

P.S. Congrats on retirement C.S.!!! does that mean you have to give up your seat on the major subcommittee you sit on?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2024 9:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hey Zia, who's that guy at the very end of your canal with the boat ramp? we need to visit with him
becky
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2024 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rebecca of Sunnybrookfarm wrote:
Congrats on retirement C.S.!!! does that mean you have to give up your seat on the major subcommittee you sit on?


Yes and No. The Gulf Council is undergoing a MAJOR shakeup, and they completely eliminated a number of Special SSC's this go-round. I knew it was a l-o-n-g-s-h-o-t to get appointed once I retired from the State, as I would have moved into the 'paid to be there' category, and even though I had backing from the State, the Council made some really eye-opening moves. Think, 'Doug Gregory' didn't make the final cut also.

I still have a number of active SEDAR appointments, and the Julie already said that because they don't pay a stipend, SEDAR doesn't care who I represent, so long as I'm an active participant. I think my first one was 37 (Gulf King Mackerel) and now I'm up to 99 (Yellowtail snapper)!

But thanks, retirement is different. [Look for me to get another job in a few more weeks. Shocked Laughing ]
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2024 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the update Becky. Glad to hear that there is pushback. No public ramp in the Bluff would be a PITA, especially for my wife or son if they had to drive the truck & trailer to Billings or Marker 37 to launch or pickup from Tropic Isles.

P.S.

Here is an email I sent to District 4 Councilman Suckley a few minutes ago.

Hello Councilman Suckley,

I am writing today to express my concern about news that has surfaced concerning the potential future of the lone public boat ramp in Flour Bluff, specifically located at Bluff Landing Marina.

My wife and I own a home at XXXX Samoa in the Tropic Isles subdivision. We've owed the home for about 15 years and enjoy our visits to Flour Bluff when schedules allow. During this time we have routinely used the boat ramp a Bluff Landing Marina due to its convenience to the neighborhood and also because it is in reasonably good shape. As you are aware, the marina ownership has changed hands over the years and I remember when the cost to launch there was $5, then $10, and most recently $20. In spite of the cost it remained our "go to" launch.

Should the ramp be closed for public use, I have a major concern how it will affect the businesses at that end of Flour Bluff (Mimi & Papa's Restaurant, Sea Tow, etc.), as well as the guide services that patronize the marina and launch. Also, it would effectively shut down the last remaining launch in Flour Bluff open to the public. And make no mistake about it, it is essentially a neighborhood boat ramp that has served the residents of Tropic Isles and surrounding neighborhoods for decades.

While I do support the rights of property owners to do as they legally wish on their property and that money is always the baseline for decisions like this, it is also my duty as a Tropic Isles homeowner to share my concern with you. To think that Flour Bluff, a community that is deeply engrained in recreational fishing and boating, may not have boat launch that is accessible to the public is concerning. Billings or Marker 37 would be the closest options.

I ask that you please do all in your power, with the help of your fellow councilpersons, to seek a solution so that Flour Bluff residents can utilize a boat ramp in our community.

Thank you for your consideration and please do not hesitate to contact me for additional information or if you have any questions.

Regards,
Sean...
XXX Samoa
(XXX) XXX-XXXX
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2024 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have tried numerous times to open the links RxFire has posted and just get a blank page or pages. Any insight what I need to use would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2024 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BayFly wrote:
I have tried numerous times to open the links RxFire has posted and just get a blank page or pages. Any insight what I need to use would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.


Works for me in Firefox, Chrome and Edge so no, sorry..
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2024 8:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Central Scrutinizer wrote:
Rebecca of Sunnybrookfarm wrote:
Congrats on retirement C.S.!!! does that mean you have to give up your seat on the major subcommittee you sit on?


Yes and No. The Gulf Council is undergoing a MAJOR shakeup, and they completely eliminated a number of Special SSC's this go-round. I knew it was a l-o-n-g-s-h-o-t to get appointed once I retired from the State, as I would have moved into the 'paid to be there' category, and even though I had backing from the State, the Council made some really eye-opening moves. Think, 'Doug Gregory' didn't make the final cut also.

I still have a number of active SEDAR appointments, and the Julie already said that because they don't pay a stipend, SEDAR doesn't care who I represent, so long as I'm an active participant. I think my first one was 37 (Gulf King Mackerel) and now I'm up to 99 (Yellowtail snapper)!

But thanks, retirement is different. [Look for me to get another job in a few more weeks. Shocked Laughing ]


dang, what is causing the shake up? and it doesn't sound like from your tone that it's a good shake up? getting worse?

my first SEDAR was 33 on gag and AJ, and 49 on a bunch of species, and then 51 on Grey snapper really made me disillusioned, so I quit...they already had the answers they wanted...don't get me wrong, there were/are some wicked smart people in the process, but they're getting orders from above...
becky
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2024 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SeanHHH wrote:
Thanks for the update Becky. Glad to hear that there is pushback. No public ramp in the Bluff would be a PITA, especially for my wife or son if they had to drive the truck & trailer to Billings or Marker 37 to launch or pickup from Tropic Isles.

P.S.

Here is an email I sent to District 4 Councilman Suckley a few minutes ago.

Hello Councilman Suckley,

I am writing today to express my concern about news that has surfaced concerning the potential future of the lone public boat ramp in Flour Bluff, specifically located at Bluff Landing Marina.

My wife and I own a home at XXXX Samoa in the Tropic Isles subdivision. We've owed the home for about 15 years and enjoy our visits to Flour Bluff when schedules allow. During this time we have routinely used the boat ramp a Bluff Landing Marina due to its convenience to the neighborhood and also because it is in reasonably good shape. As you are aware, the marina ownership has changed hands over the years and I remember when the cost to launch there was $5, then $10, and most recently $20. In spite of the cost it remained our "go to" launch.

Should the ramp be closed for public use, I have a major concern how it will affect the businesses at that end of Flour Bluff (Mimi & Papa's Restaurant, Sea Tow, etc.), as well as the guide services that patronize the marina and launch. Also, it would effectively shut down the last remaining launch in Flour Bluff open to the public. And make no mistake about it, it is essentially a neighborhood boat ramp that has served the residents of Tropic Isles and surrounding neighborhoods for decades.

While I do support the rights of property owners to do as they legally wish on their property and that money is always the baseline for decisions like this, it is also my duty as a Tropic Isles homeowner to share my concern with you. To think that Flour Bluff, a community that is deeply engrained in recreational fishing and boating, may not have boat launch that is accessible to the public is concerning. Billings or Marker 37 would be the closest options.

I ask that you please do all in your power, with the help of your fellow councilpersons, to seek a solution so that Flour Bluff residents can utilize a boat ramp in our community.

Thank you for your consideration and please do not hesitate to contact me for additional information or if you have any questions.

Regards,
Sean...
XXX Samoa
(XXX) XXX-XXXX


that's a fine letter Sean, and you echo the sentiments of a lot of us long time bluff rats...IronManStan is rolling around in his grave right now...

the people that bought C&W's/Little Wigglers are going through a zoning change (to RV) and show the boat ramp being fixed and boat trailer parking...the name is Torero...I'd like to hear their plan, because I preferred that ramp anyway, when it was functional
becky
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