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ziacatcher · Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2022 10:05 pm Post subject: What is Bluff landing up to?

Got this in the mail today. Don't understand what they're up to. I tried to talk to them at the marina but I kept being passed from person to person. No one can give me a straight answer.

speckled.trout · Full Grown Flour Bluffian Joined: 30 Aug 2012 Posts: 1189

I'm pretty sure what they are doing isn't to help or make things better for the homeowner. If you don't know as a next door neighbor, that's a problem.

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surffan · Horse Mullet Joined: 07 Jun 2006 Posts: 107

Would make the road private. New owner could close off to public or otherwise limit access.

Johninaustin · Full Grown Flour Bluffian Joined: 03 Jun 2007 Posts: 1065

I'm pretty sure they cannot cut off access to current landowners, it's certainly going to effect your land value though. You need a real estate attorney.

Rxfire · Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2022 8:38 am Post subject:

What City politician had their wallets fattened by this proposal? And how much does an acre cost in that neighborhood? What I see is $500,000/acre, but since it is paved (improved), and waterfront, who knows....

What utilities are under that/those street(s)?
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CaptinAcademy · Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2022 9:54 am Post subject:

This is definitely concerning.

This would privatize the last few yards of Laguna Shores, as well as Wyndale.

They already own several STR's within a couple of blocks, as well as one on your street.

RXFire's question about the utilities is definitely valid.

The fact that you got something from BL, and not the city sounds like they're trying to pull a fast one and go to the city and say "all the neighbors are cool with it".

Why didn't I get a notice? Just because I'm over 1000' away? I'm a tax paying citizen, I own a share of, and pay taxes on that public property and those utilities.

I also wonder if this doesn't have something to do with the properties on both sides of me in Whiteley Cove. one just sold for ~$1.8mm and the one behind me just went up for sale at $1.2mm.
All with the same real estate agent, and coincidentally?, the same one selling all the property along Laguna Shores up north of Gully's

In addition to a real estate attorney, I would be contacting Greg Smith, our councilman, even though he has dropped his re-election bid.
Maybe on his way out he could get you some answers on the end game of this.
I doubt this is all to the game..

I smell a large expansion of BL, they've been pushing this way slowly since they bought it, trying to run out the locals.

Would be worthwhile I think to get your neighborhood association back in gear and also try to figure out who actually owns BL now.
I bet you won't like what you find if you dig far enough.

Sorry if this sounds "black helicopter" but I've seen this in Austin over the years, "gentrifying" the East side of Austin and pushing out the locals to stand up high dollar condo's.
I'm afraid that mentality and money is making it way down here.
You could end up looking out your front door at some Condo's?

"Edit" Here is the Nueces CAD site map of the area, clickable for owners. of each lot/property.
https://propaccess.trueautomation.com/clientdb/Property.aspx?cid=75&prop_id=540338&year=2022
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Rxfire · Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2022 3:47 pm Post subject:

Deed records in Nueces County show "Noneyo, Inc". That DBA ("Doing Business As") or "Assumed Name" is recorded as Harold Loyd Blundell (owner of 121 Clearview Dr, Corpus Christi, and 8602 Green Valley, Austin, TX ).

https://nueces.tx.publicsearch.us/results?department=RP&recordedDateRange=18000101%2C20220929&searchOcrText=false&searchType=quickSearch&searchValue=Noneyo

Also associated with BL Real Estate Holding Company,5716 W Highway 290
# 200, Austin, TX 78735 (Close to Red's Shooting Range),

which is shown as owner of 4242 Laguna Shores Rd, 4122 Wyndale, 4113, 4117, and 4052 Claudia Dr, and 101 Rex Lane (see: https://actweb.acttax.com/act_webdev/nueces/showlist.jsp).

Hawkins Family Properties (Kris Hawkins) is also linked to these companies and properties. https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_tx/0130789900

Hawkins Family Partners also shown as owners of 4026, 4030, 4057,and 4105 Laguna Shores Rd; and 111 Caribbean and 3751 Waldron Rd. on County Appraisal District Records https://actweb.acttax.com/act_webdev/nueces/showlist.jsp
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BayFly · Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2022 9:31 pm Post subject:

When one makes a road or street private they should have to maintain it, but I have no ideal what the City of CC does. Also, will the portion of the street purchased be eliminated, or gated? We've experienced a poorly maintained Laguna Shores in the recen past and don't care to go there again. If the street is closed then the commercial property(?) at the East end of Martha can only be accessed via Martha, as opposed to it's access from Laguna Shores presently. If this is the plan the traffic flow on Martha will increase and make the current access into Martha off of Laguna Shores a potentially dangerous intersection. It's kind of funcky now without increasing the traffic flow. Just thinking about this proposal causes me to have many questions about the overall plan Bluff's landing's ownership has in mind, and I am of the opinion the City of CC needs to organize a public meeting where they and the street buyer/marina owner lay out the overall plan being contemplated to the public, and especially those in the neighborhood.
BTW, I have been under the impression the ownership of the marina, etc. is a limited partnership? Can anyone shed light on this?

Rxfire · Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2022 4:53 am Post subject:

For 4234 Laguna Shores, Tax Roll Records show

B L REAL ESTATE HOLDING CO LP
5716 W HIGHWAY 290 STE 200
AUSTIN, TX 78735-8721

and

HARRIS GAYE
4130 LAGUNA SHORES RD
CORPUS CHRISTI, TX 78418-3121

Various documents to sift thru are here (including a sale deed from Bluff's Landing to BL Real Estate Holding in 2004):

https://nueces.tx.publicsearch.us/results?department=RP&recordedDateRange=17991231%2C20220929&searchOcrText=false&searchType=quickSearch&searchValue=BL%20Real%20Estate
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surffan · Horse Mullet Joined: 07 Jun 2006 Posts: 107

Many issues here. I would like to know how the road was created. Was it land purchased, condemned or donated to the city? Or was the street created by dedicating has a public road as part of the subdivision platting process? They are two different things. I have mostly dealt with the after effects of these things and not the actual closure process. If street was created by platting process I am not certain city can sell it, city can vacate or abandon for sure, but I have a question on selling, will check on that maybe Monday with someone more knowledgeable. If city bought or had land donated then they can sell.

Central Scrutinizer · Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2022 3:07 pm Post subject:

$$$'s (or supposed $$$'s), that's what they are up to. Best of Luck to the Owners. Tough to make a profit when you have no more clients. Rolling Eyes

BayFly · Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2022 3:36 pm Post subject:

Point well taken CS, because most of their decisions over the last few years have resulted in less activity at the site, possibly by design?

Rxfire · Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2022 4:12 pm Post subject:

Maybe the owners feel that the guides' business, including clients that room there, and eat there, is enough. No telling how much the boat lift slips are now, but they used to be about $350/month (tax deductible for guides, so kinda OK for them). Special events are rare there, but they do happen (boat shows, etc). Chain link fence, gates, escorts, security service, I guess. Next they will be asking the wind (sail) surfers to pay to play, and then kick SeaTow to the curb. Bait? Are you a member here?
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Central Scrutinizer · Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2022 8:59 pm Post subject:

Rxfire · Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2022 7:00 am Post subject:

Why does Bluff Marina, etc get to be the only entity to bid on this street(s) sale? Should the city place it on the real estate market? When the City listed the property at 1201 Laguna Shores Rd for sale (just south of Jim's Boat Barn), it was an open market sale (and the city spent a lot of money tearing the building down, and smoothing out the lot. The city needs to answer questions as to why, and what options are there for NOT selling. Are they under pressure of a law suit for NOT selling?
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