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bulldog1935
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:59 am    Post subject: Arroyo dock fishing Reply with quote



We just got back from 4 days on Arroyo Colorado, we stayed in the Spencer Bell house (where we also stayed last year).
The cooler weather and big wind over Friday and Saturday was a big boon to the dock fishing under the lights, making it easy for everyone who tried to catch a limit.

I'll give you the tallies up front - I caught 4 limits, Lou caught 3 , Susie caught 1 and Dad caught 1.
We strictly stuck to our bag limits for calendar days, and everyone laid off in the evening if they had a limit from the early morning.
We kept a few injured 15-16" trout, but we were shooting for 17" minimum, and everybody's limit stringer included a 20-22" (male) schoolie spec.


The most productive lure was Tsunami SS3 in blue back, with black back a close second. Got a few fish on Hogy's epoxy jigs, both 3/8 oz and 7/8 ox (which will literally cast halfway across the Arroyo). My dad grazed through everything in his tackle box, and probably got one fish on everything he tried, old-fashioned spec rigs, cocahoe, some curly-tail thing.
The bait shop across the street got one charge of shrimp while we were there, Susie caught her limit on shrimp, and Lou caught about one-quarter of his fish on shrimp.

When the going got tough, dead calm and spooky fish, next to live shrimp, the most productive lure was a spec rig (tandem) tied on 2-inch swim shad, with glow up front, and blue back in back.
Had to vary retrieves to find what make the fish strike, and also fish different depths to find where they were willing to strike.


We brought home 104 vacuum-sealed fillets, split between 3 households - every single fish I filleted was a male.

The most productive way to fish was sunset to about 9pm, take a nap, and get back up about 2 or 3 am to hit it again. Often arriving to fish the wee hours, would find schoolies so thick under the light, would catch 4 to 5 fish in consecutive casts.

Oddly, we had a very-well secured stringer with five 18"-22" fish stolen from the dock Sunday night, between 9pm and 2am - can't imagine anyone committing a class B misdemeanor over a few fish - I'm pretty sure I know who did it, and that part is even stranger, and included a 2nd class B misdemeanor - another story for another time.
Also brought home 276 MB in photos, so won't give you the whole play by play for the week, but a few choice photos.

This is my stringer, arriving Thursday night and getting up Friday morning (17-21").


and since you don't see too many photos of me


Lou arrived Friday afternoon, and called my dad and me in from our only power boat foray to Green Island, where we caught 1 trout between us.
Saturday morning photo with mine and Lou's overnight limits.


I filleted every fish, mostly after a good breakfast and before a morning nap.


Susie flew into Harlingen Saturday - Lou and I weren't fishing Saturday night, and this is Susie's limit

She caught all these on live shrimp, using the XUL rockfish rod, 4-lb test, and had so much fun, Lou went to the computer and bought her a matching rockfish rod on ebay.
Susie's stringer included this 20" schoolie (the hook grabber is exactly 15")


My Dad turned 90 this year, and this is his stringer from early Sunday morning.

Dad looks a little younger than usual in this photo. Mr. Green

one more gratuitous pile of fish photo


and one more gratuitous sunset
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like a great trip. Congrats. Great memories
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a wonderful trip. I ought to take up fishing sometime and go down there! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks Tyler - and TroutChaser.
It's a beautiful place - Lou and Susie liked it so much they're going to rent again in the winter and invite me down with their kids.



I also landed a double on the 4-lb XUL rockfish rod, 2" tandem swim shad, which was a hoot - both keepers, one 19"
I netted the first one and lifted the 2nd on the heavy fluoro leader - both were hooked in the lip membrane and came off as soon as they touched the dock.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adding a fillet knife review here. - first try on the Titan titanium metal matrix composite fillet - 9" curved blade.
This is a spendy knife, but still about 2/3 the cost of my Knives of Alaska Coho.

On our Arroyo trip, between us caught 9 spec limits, odds and ends, had a meal, and brought home 104 vacuum-sealed fillets.
I filleted every fish, including 17 from one go.
Success is when the last fillet looks like the first.

Discovered on the very first fish, this knife is poor for skinning trout fillets - cut through the first - no worries, I can correct that by back skinning from the ribs (other knife).

So I used the Titan for spine cuts, where it Really Shines, and my KOA for skin cuts. The knife glides from the start and turn, beyond effortless through the ribs, and self-correcting finishing the spine cut across the fins to the peduncle. When you found yourself on the wrong side of the fin, the knife self-corrected with a slower cut. It also never ever needed sharpening, while the KOA needed sharpening every 5 or 6 fish.
The Titan would be a jewel all by itself on redfish.

The really grippy handle gets messy, but grips like crazy and easy enough to clean.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great report! I've always thought that water would be polluted so I've not wanted to fish there. What have you heard, Bulldog?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bloodhound wrote:
Great report! I've always thought that water would be polluted so I've not wanted to fish there. What have you heard, Bulldog?
Thanks!
I remember fishing LLM in the early 90s, and seeing brown tides coming from the Arroyo.
Green Island hen - 27"

There was also a big fish kill in the 2005 drought.
They have a very good conservation effort going there since 2006, established to meet EPA 1994 and TCEQ 2004, and have made big progress on the water quality.
http://arroyocolorado.org/watershed-protection-plan/

I made this post on a parallel thread on FFR forum:
While the night-time dock fishing is a diversion at most bay and canal houses, it's the main attraction in the Arroyo - it's amazing the numbers of fish that come in there at night.
Schoolie specs, btw travel 25 mi/day to find enough food.
The big females spread out in the bays and flats, while the males school together and travel.

Something else that makes the house location hot is that the natural arroyo and the barge channel converge right there and both bring in a lot of fish.

looking toward Laguna Madre (the house is 2 up from the empty spot where the channel diverges)...........looking from Laguna Madre up the barge channel

The rectangular basins visible in the photo above, and on maps all along the arroyo, are irrigation drainage basins - tailwater from tile drainage - a place to drain the citrus fields in the flat delta, settle out sedement, provide aeration, and double as irrigation sumps - citrus is the primary crop there, with sugar cane second. From what I read, the drainage basins are especially important in the tidal zone below Port Harlingen.

The entire watershed has irrigation tile drainage, and now has those big sumps controlling drainage into the arroyo, which seem to be the biggest improvement in water quality.

btw, Susie got a 7'6" XUL rockfish rod of her own (Major Craft) and a Stradic FL1000 to match it. She told Lou he may Never borrow it.
Didn't mention it above, but these rods are designed to throw 1/64-oz and protect 2-lb test.

The dock fishing is not entirely fish in a barrel - it's only that way for short periods of time when everything is going just right for you - schoolies in close, aggressive feeding behavior, and wind to provide stealth cover for you.
It can be frustrating to see a hundred specs in the light slowly nipping bait and refusing everything and every-how you offer it - my dad spent a couple of days that way, at first wanting the fish to feed on his schedule - no, you have to fish on theirs (next morning he got up at 2:30a and limited).

As soon as you figure out their feeding pattern and begin getting strikes, they change it.
It's also harder to catch the smaller nursery trout that live under than lights than the larger traveling schoolies that move through the lights - seems like a paradox until you spend some time on the dock watching the fish sign.
There's no surer way to put them down (send them to the next light) than to cast constantly - a chair on the dock, a cigar, and flask of rum while pondering the fish sign and catching up on conversation with the guy or girl in the next chair, hugely improves success and catch rate - stand up and cast only when the sign is right.

At one specific time, I told Lou exactly what worked (then), countdown 6 seconds, medium retrieve, uneven rod snaps. Next cast, he caught a 20" trout. See?
Susie was a quick learner - she had never used a spinning reel before. I told her it was easier for women to learn to fish, because they treat fishing like music, while men more often treat it like aggression.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, thanks for the info Bulldog. That link has some good reading.
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bulldog1935
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 23, 2019 5:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

way cool - glad you caught up.

btw, Spencer Bell's house is really big (and $220/night in the off season), and with a pair of boat lifts, which you need for the barge traffic wakes.
There are 2 master bedrooms downstairs, a loft bedroom overlooking the Arroyo with 3 beds, two more upstairs bedrooms with 5 beds between them.
We had so much room, brought the cat and she took over her own room.
She sat on this window sill watching the water and birds, and defended the stairs when anyone tried to climb into her loft.

I also gave her all the fin strips for kitty sushi.
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