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bulldog1935
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 6:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fly fishermen get weird about their fly boxes. Long ago, I tied all kinds of flies.
I've culled my patterns to 6 for coldwater (I prioritize 2), 4 for warmwater (counting a topwater slider), and 3 for saltwater.
http://www.corpusfishing.com/messageboard/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=37808
Especially in the surf, something like my hi-tie is all you need.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 8:11 pm    Post subject: fly advice Reply with quote

i second jeffs advice on both.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TXHill wrote:
Don, Zach and Matt at Roy's can hook anyone up with flies. For the surf I have found a plain white clouser does the trick on just about everything. Jeff Wolda


Going to have to make an evening trip (or 2 or 3 ) this week - my river fly fishing for gar 50 years ago was a kick, finding a non windy evening (which last night was NOT), i had the fly rod in the subie, but the wind was blowing too much.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ziacatcher wrote:
Hey Donnie, if you're not into you tying, like I am not, try Roy's and talk to Don. He's big into flyfishing in will help you with whatever you need. They've got flies that you can get for whatever species you're after. By the way my biggest fish on the fly in the surf in a 42-inch Jack. Took over 30 minutes to get in


Holy crap, i cant even imagine that - those guys really take getting hook serious. No fish has put a smile on my face more than jack in the surf - and thats with my 'heavy' duty spinning reels, on a fly rod, wow. Do you remember what kind of fly it was ?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Donnie, on an earlier post, mentioned I've caught jacks on Lydia Ann beach on the hi-tie.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bulldog1935 wrote:
Donnie, on an earlier post, mentioned I've caught jacks on Lydia Ann beach on the hi-tie.


Yep, I have that written in my notes of what to look for at Roy's.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are some flies that I caught Jack's on in the surf



And fishing has been tough for me lately so I've been trying to get some divine intervention

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the pics, specially of the ties on to the fly - and of those small weights. When I get tired (way past) of pounding the keys, i am going out in the park to see if I can still put that line out - I was going to say reasonably, but 'at all' is more appropriate.

Yesterday was - while a beautiful day - was frustrating - about 3 throws of the cast net and a bucket of fingerling. (it was too windy to try the fly rod) - but anyway, put those finger mullet - out close , out far, out medium, and lost a few baits - but no hook ups. So I agree with need for divine intervention, but what I remember from the nuns back at St Teresa, that God - no matter how hard we prayed, wouldnt help the Cowboys, and I take that to mean, he wasnt into helping fishermen either, though He was known to find a few fishermen new occupations.

Thanks Z . Hope to see you soon.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are two problems fishing weight on a fly rod - both are related.
Fly lines aren't made to turn over weight - instead, they're made to pull along a weightless air-resistant fly - the weight hinges when you're trying to cast. Be careful not to hit yourself in the head.
Second, the action of stripping line on your retrieve naturally causes a weighted fly to yo-yo up and down, which bait never do.
(think of the action of dog-walking lures, which mimic a bait evading side-to-side)
When you're retrieving a weighted sinking lure on a spinning or bait rod, your steady retrieve makes the lure hover at a given depth. Tougher to achieve stripping line on a fly rod.
You can tuck the rod handle under your armpit and strip continuously with two hands, which I call a chernobyl strip - very effective on Spanish macks.

I fish flies with no more weight than bead chain. If I want to fish mid-column or deeper, I'll go to a sinking line, either a monocore intermediate density line (slime line), or TS-250 spliced sinking shooting head.
Aside from much improved cast distance, another advantage to sinking lines, they let you use 5' leaders.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 3:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bulldog1935 wrote:
There are two problems fishing weight on a fly rod - both are related.
Fly lines aren't made to turn over weight - instead, they're made to pull along a weightless air-resistant fly - the weight hinges when you're trying to cast. Be careful not to hit yourself in the head.
Second, the action of stripping line on your retrieve naturally causes a weighted fly to yo-yo up and down, which bait never do.
(think of the action of dog-walking lures, which mimic a bait evading side-to-side)
When you're retrieving a weighted sinking lure on a spinning or bait rod, your steady retrieve makes the lure hover at a given depth. Tougher to achieve stripping line on a fly rod.
You can tuck the rod handle under your armpit and strip continuously with two hands, which I call a chernobyl strip - very effective on Spanish macks.

I fish flies with no more weight than bead chain. If I want to fish mid-column or deeper, I'll go to a sinking line, either a monocore intermediate density line (slime line), or TS-250 spliced sinking shooting head.
Aside from much improved cast distance, another advantage to sinking lines, they let you use 5' leaders.


Thanks a lot for the tips - very helpfull. Specially the warning about avoiding damage to the flies from hitting hard immovable object, those flies can be expensive. That makes good sense about using the fly line for what its intended.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 6:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

btw, a neutral density sinking line could become your favorite in the surf - they're my favorite on the flats, and I fish them most of the time - I'll only go to a floating line in knee-deep grass redfish water.
Hovering a fly in mid-column is what intermediate sinking lines do best.
There's an Airflo line called Beach Intermediate Sinking.
The line is clear, which is why we called them slime lines when they first came out.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bulldog1935 wrote:
btw, a neutral density sinking line could become your favorite in the surf - they're my favorite on the flats, and I fish them most of the time - I'll only go to a floating line in knee-deep grass redfish water.
Hovering a fly in mid-column is what intermediate sinking lines do best.
There's an Airflo line called Beach Intermediate Sinking.
The line is clear, which is why we called them slime lines when they first came out.


Many thanks bd, z-man, and others. I think this is going to be a lot of fun.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TXHill wrote:
Don, Zach and Matt at Roy's can hook anyone up with flies. For the surf I have found a plain white clouser does the trick on just about everything. Jeff Wolda


what are those running at Roys these days? how much for a plain jane clouser?
becky
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rebecca of Sunnybrookfarm wrote:
TXHill wrote:
Don, Zach and Matt at Roy's can hook anyone up with flies. For the surf I have found a plain white clouser does the trick on just about everything. Jeff Wolda


what are those running at Roys these days? how much for a plain jane clouser?
becky


I ordered one that looked like what the guys had posted from cabela's , was ordering a reel and saw this, this was 3 bucks. I am def going to stop at Roys and talk to Don, Jach, Matt, if i can catch them.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's the way Billy Sandifer rigged up these flies when I went fishing with him down at the surf. It seemed to work okay in that I did catch some Jacks. Definitely had to be careful about hitting myself in the head. Takes a little more patience to let the fly reach its farthest point back before smoothly bringing it forward. You have to have a real deliberate smooth cast
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