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Ray Flour Bluffian in training
Joined: 23 Mar 2006 Posts: 432 Location: Waco, Texas, U.S.A.
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bd0202 Member White Shrimper Boot Club

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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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I've heard of them and other similar products. Haven't used any or seen anyone use any. NPS considers it a weapon = not allowed on PINS. Don't know how the city or county feels about them though. _________________ All things will pass. Have a Blessed day. |
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Vern Horse Mullet

Joined: 11 Sep 2017 Posts: 243 Location: Texas dry land
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:05 pm Post subject: There are |
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There are lots of DIY videos on youtube and other places that show you how to make them for less than $50 in parts.
One thing to remember they have been declared illegal on PINS.
Most seem to demo them with frozen bait bullets though I have seen a couple that figured out another way to do it. _________________ Whatever your hands find to do, do it with all your might. (Fishing is one of those things ) |
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Sinker Flour Bluffian in training
Joined: 19 Oct 2016 Posts: 394 Location: Wyoming/NPI
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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I have one that I bring to NPI to use during our winter stay. It is very well constructed and performs as advertised. Your distance if effected by wind direction. I am too old to ever paddle a bait out into the surf. So this allows me over the third bar. Weed can be your enemy some days.
Real key is freezing correct bait for current bite. I am very disappointed that it is not allowed on PINS. Always be prepared to have a crowd gather as you set it up.
It is a Big Boy Toy.
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Vern Horse Mullet

Joined: 11 Sep 2017 Posts: 243 Location: Texas dry land
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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Ok went to the fed website because I am trying to find out about firearms on PINS. I cant find anything so far that says no. However here is the listing for the bait cannon and based on the fact that they consider it a weapon (stupid as that is) I can only presume that "weapons" in any form are prohibited.
Other than a firearm and bait cannon what do they consider a weapon. I carry some pretty big knives with me. Sticks too
Fishing- Bait Launchers
According to 36 Code of Federal Regulations, compressed gas-powered bail launchers are considered weapons. Federal regulations limit the use of weapons in the National Seashore. The use of a weapon within the Seashore is prohibited unless the time and location of its use is specifically designated. Pending such designation by the park Superintendent, the use of these devices is prohibited.
The use of a weapon to aide in casting due to a disability is prohibited. People frequently surf fish at the National Seashore without distance casting; many use short rods and fish between the first and second sandbar and/or the second and third sandbar. There are also local options that negate the need to distance cast at Bob Hall Pier at Padre Balli Park, Packery Channel (North and South Jetties), and many places along the Laguna Madre. _________________ Whatever your hands find to do, do it with all your might. (Fishing is one of those things ) |
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Vern Horse Mullet

Joined: 11 Sep 2017 Posts: 243 Location: Texas dry land
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 4:03 pm Post subject: HMMMMM contradiction need a legal eagle here |
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Firearms in National Parks
Possession of Firearms in National Park Units
In areas administered by the National Park Service, an individual can possess a firearm if that individual is not otherwise prohibited by law from possessing the firearm and if the possession of the firearm complies with the laws of the state where the park area is located. 54 U.S.C. 104906.
It is the responsibility of visitors to understand and comply with all applicable Federal, state and local firearms laws and regulations, including laws authorizing or prohibiting concealed carry, before entering a national park. Some parks are located in more than one state or locality which means that the applicable laws may change depending upon where you are located within a park area.
If a park is located in a jurisdiction where the applicable state and local laws grant reciprocity to non-resident firearm owners, then consistent with the applicable law, the park will equally recognize the reciprocity. For information on state and local laws, please contact the state and locality where the park is located.
Possession of Firearms in Federal Facilities
Unless expressly authorized, Federal law prohibits the possession of a firearm or other dangerous weapon in NPS facilities. These buildings include, but are not limited to, government offices, visitor centers, ranger stations, fee collection buildings, and maintenance facilities. 18 U.S.C. 930.
Use of Firearms
Unless authorized, the use or discharge of a firearm within a park area is prohibited. 36 CFR 2.4(b) and 13.30(c). In parks where hunting is specifically mandated or authorized by federal statute, firearms may be used to hunt in accordance with NPS regulations and state laws. 36 CFR 2.2.
Visitors should not consider firearms as protection from wildlife.
More Information
The information provided on this page provides a general overview of the rules about firearms across the National Park System. If you have questions about the firearm rules in a particular park, please contact that park for more information prior to visiting. _________________ Whatever your hands find to do, do it with all your might. (Fishing is one of those things ) |
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Vern Horse Mullet

Joined: 11 Sep 2017 Posts: 243 Location: Texas dry land
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 4:08 pm Post subject: OK from the PINS site also |
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New Firearms Law
As of February 22, 2010, a new federal law allows people who can legally possess firearms under applicable federal, state, and local laws, to legally possess firearms in this park. It is the responsibility of visitors to understand and comply with all applicable state, local, and federal firearms laws before entering this park. Please visit our state's various websites for more information:
Guess this means I can have a pistol in my vehicle without a permit. Just cant take it out and start plinking or let others see it.....
Unless I want to use it on them because of their bad behavior
Would this be a correct assesment?
I really dont want to end up in federal prison for bringing protection with me to fish. _________________ Whatever your hands find to do, do it with all your might. (Fishing is one of those things ) |
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Sinker Flour Bluffian in training
Joined: 19 Oct 2016 Posts: 394 Location: Wyoming/NPI
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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IMO the size and velocity of Sanblaster bait bullets is the issue on PINS.
When you receive the Sandblaster there is a warning to make sure no swimmers or watercraft are down range. The bait bullets are tipped with an 8oz pointed sinker add your bait steel leader and ice, probably around 2lbs projectile. That is powered by 80psi release which moves the bait bullet with significant velocity.
Second issue IMO is if you have concealed carry permit you may carry in PINS. |
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bd0202 Member White Shrimper Boot Club

Joined: 11 May 2017 Posts: 698 Location: SATX
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Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:58 am Post subject: |
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Just to clarify, NPS & PINS define "firearms" and "weapons" differently. Yes, you can carry your firearm on PINS in your personal vehicle if you don't have an LTC, and openly (unless they post otherwise) if you do have an LTC.
However, as I understand it, these bait launchers are not being labeled specifically under the "firearms" category and all of the literature I've seen on them pretty clearly states they are classified as "prohibited weapons" on the national seashore. _________________ All things will pass. Have a Blessed day. |
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