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The Trash Heap Full Grown Flour Bluffian

Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 1932 Location: Corpus Christi
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:31 am Post subject: Focus |
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Those having difficulty seeing the problem are focusing in the wrong places.
The cell tower situation is a good example. When cell phones proliferated exponentially, no one was prepared for a rapid deployment of cell towers everywhere and environmental agencies had to begin regulating after-the-fact. It turned out that there were several things happening with the birds. The guy wire issue was a significant one with a couple of solutions. Birds that can see the tower itself a long way off may actually focus their eyes on that distant object and thereby miss focusing on the wires until they're right on top of them. The FWS began recommending that, instead of every cell company building its own towers, they share cell towers and if possible lease transceiver space on other sorts of existing towers. They also recommended using monopole towers w/o any guy wires at all.
Another thing being missed in this thread is that most bird strikes occur under conditions of poor visibility. The worst case is at night and in foggy conditions. The aviation warning lights atop the taller towers seem to attract, then confuse, birds. I saw this occur one foggy night at a well location southeast of Falfurrias; every horizontal piece of the drilling rig was littered with little bodies, and a coot fell at our feet on the drilling floor.
Thus, my prediction is that when the proper research is finally conducted on the wind farms, it will be discovered that the wind turbine blades are deadlier to birds when they aren't moving, especially at night and in a fog, than they are in broad daylight and rotating at the max. Of course, if they've already built beau-coup farms in harm's way at billions of dollars a pop, the birds will just be SOL.
I'm not saying NIMBY, I'm saying fools rush in. We can and should take the time to find the right locations before we invest gigabucks and commit ourselves to easily avoidable mayhem. There may be other downsides we haven't even guessed at yet. _________________ The Trash Heap Has Spoken!
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iflyabeech Annavillian in Training

Joined: 09 May 2007 Posts: 584 Location: Annaville, Texas
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:56 am Post subject: Re: Focus |
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| The Trash Heap wrote: | | Those having difficulty seeing the problem are focusing in the wrong places. |
I usually agree with you Trash Heap, and I agree about the focus thing being a factor with the little wires, but I have to disagree with you on the bird issue.
We build highways -then coyotes and deer get on them and hit by cars and die. Should we not have highways?
I think that sometimes people can't see the forest for the trees! _________________ http://www.thirdcoastoutdoors.com
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The Trash Heap Full Grown Flour Bluffian

Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 1932 Location: Corpus Christi
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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If you knew you might minimize the harm of any technology, why wouldn't you take the time to look for ways to do that? There are necessary evils and unnecessary evils. Wouldn't you prefer to know which is which before making a choice?
The sin is in not caring what damage we may do before we do it. It's ironic having to explain that since previous energy technologies led to global warming and now we're trying to get out the mess with this new one.
"We have met the enemy and he is us." --- Pogo _________________ The Trash Heap Has Spoken!
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iflyabeech Annavillian in Training

Joined: 09 May 2007 Posts: 584 Location: Annaville, Texas
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The Trash Heap Full Grown Flour Bluffian

Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 1932 Location: Corpus Christi
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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Give up on that propaganda. Even EXXON has stopped funding it. _________________ The Trash Heap Has Spoken!
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iflyabeech Annavillian in Training

Joined: 09 May 2007 Posts: 584 Location: Annaville, Texas
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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| The Trash Heap wrote: | | Give up on that propaganda. Even EXXON has stopped funding it. |
I don't think so. Temperatures have been fluctuating up and down since the beginning of time. The liberal media and algore are the propaganda machines. History is not propaganda! _________________ http://www.thirdcoastoutdoors.com
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subsailor Finger Mullet
Joined: 14 Jun 2007 Posts: 48 Location: Temple
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 1:47 pm Post subject: |
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so... how the fishing lately.....lol _________________ Broke off again. |
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iflyabeech Annavillian in Training

Joined: 09 May 2007 Posts: 584 Location: Annaville, Texas
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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| subsailor wrote: | | so... how the fishing lately.....lol |
Hehe..all work here no fish!! Only 3 more days of this work mess until I get to go fishin! ha _________________ http://www.thirdcoastoutdoors.com
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OIL FIELD TRASH Guest
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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| The Trash Heap wrote: | If you knew you might minimize the harm of any technology, why wouldn't you take the time to look for ways to do that? There are necessary evils and unnecessary evils. Wouldn't you prefer to know which is which before making a choice?
The sin is in not caring what damage we may do before we do it. It's ironic having to explain that since previous energy technologies led to global warming and now we're trying to get out the mess with this new one.
"We have met the enemy and he is us." --- Pogo |
It doesn't seem to matter how much time is taken, there is always some group, or person out there that has an agenda they feel is not being met. It seems that no matter how many site assements were done on some of my past projects, there was always some person that felt MORe should be done. We live in a real world though that depends on technology and energy, and obviously no one is willing to give that up. I can guarantee you that prior to these windmills going up, certain environmental reports (NEPA, Phase II, etc..) had to be prepared. It's not like some random person decided to set these things up over the weekend.
so what's the answer? It seems to me you're not a fan of oil companies by your posts, and you also seem to think the windmill farms aren't a good idea...where does that leave us? |
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Big Ed Member White Shrimper Boot Club

Joined: 22 Mar 2006 Posts: 673 Location: San Antonio
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="Big John"]
So windfarms are clean, efficient and cheap. Over 20% of San Antonio energy is now being produced using windfarms, and the number is climbing.
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Big John,
Where did you get these numbers? CPS website says that CPS "hopes" to have 15% of of it's power from renewable sources by 2020. Current production is a small percentage of that 15% goal for the future. _________________ Big Ed
San Antonio
"A word to the wise ain't necessary. It's the stupid ones who need advice.", Bill Cosby |
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Lost Cajun Flour Bluffian in training

Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 474 Location: Midland, TX
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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| The Trash Heap wrote: | | It's ironic having to explain that since previous energy technologies led to global warming and now we're trying to get out the mess with this new one. |
Sorry Johnny, I don't believe any scientific data has been put forth linking Global Warming to "previous energy technologies", only propaganda by extremist organizations who want us to quit using energy altogether. And by political organizations who are looking to gain election advantages.
Let's all be honest and say we agree that the globe is warming. Then let's all work together to find out why, not jump to convient popular conclusions. |
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Lost Cajun Flour Bluffian in training

Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 474 Location: Midland, TX
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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| The Trash Heap wrote: | | If you knew you might minimize the harm of any technology, why wouldn't you take the time to look for ways to do that? There are necessary evils and unnecessary evils. Wouldn't you prefer to know which is which before making a choice? |
I agree. And since we have decades of data on this issue lets take the practicle approach and see if they have caused significant avoidable harm. If they haven't let's drop it, support their proliferation and build them out as quickly as possible. |
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Big John Full Grown Flour Bluffian

Joined: 07 Mar 2006 Posts: 2647
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="Big Ed"] | Big John wrote: |
So windfarms are clean, efficient and cheap. Over 20% of San Antonio energy is now being produced using windfarms, and the number is climbing.
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Big John,
Where did you get these numbers? CPS website says that CPS "hopes" to have 15% of of it's power from renewable sources by 2020. Current production is a small percentage of that 15% goal for the future. |
I saw it one of their newsletters. Maybe it was hopes to by some date. I don't have that newsletter anymore as it goes out with the envelope the bill comes in.  _________________ GOBZA!!!
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topdog15 Full Grown Flour Bluffian

Joined: 14 Jun 2006 Posts: 4566 Location: Flour Bluff
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I saw it one of their newsletters. Maybe it was hopes to by some date. I don't have that newsletter anymore as it goes out with the envelope the bill comes in |
Another mystery statistic, heh?
I agree w/ Johnny on this one. Maybe its b/c we both chose careers that required we be educated on peer reviewed literature researched and written by knowledgable scientists rather than simply trust whatever is said on the television or by the politicians. We are a reactive society that rushes into things and then struggles to deal w/ the consequences. By being more proactive and attempting to fully understand these situations before acting upon them, we may limit the damage incurred and cause less harm to the natural world. _________________ "Ya'll must eat a lot of fish" |
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iflyabeech Annavillian in Training

Joined: 09 May 2007 Posts: 584 Location: Annaville, Texas
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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I question the motives behind these so-called "scientists!" They pay too much attention themselves to politics and less attention to science.
I believe we are a society who is too worried about hurting anything to actually help anything. _________________ http://www.thirdcoastoutdoors.com
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