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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 8:00 pm    Post subject: So Tx Plains wind farm Reply with quote

as some know, the Kenedy Ranch is negotiating putting in a large wind farm just west of the Laguna. the Pres. of the King Ranch is opposed to this. old and historic entities are now at odds over this. any thoughts...
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 4:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They have been unloading them at the port by whattaburger field and shipping them to west texas for the last 6 months or more. Great for tourism. I really enjoy driving on I-10 and looking at the bluffs and mesas and now I can enjoy it more by watching all the windmills also. Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 6:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whats the function of them. Electricity?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kingtender wrote:
Whats the function of them. Electricity?


Yep.

That, and to knock down the occasional stray Whooping Crane...
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Living in West Texas I'm pretty use to them now. They really aren't bad to look at and the beneficial aspects of them more than out weigh their negatives.

For starters they are a tremendous economic stimulator the utilities companies employ folks. Next, they are fantastic county government revenue generators because they pay property tax. At $2 million each they can help out with the county tax burden. (Schackleford County will have like 3500 of them when they finish building them out). And of course they produce energy without burning fossile fuels, which helps the enviornment.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 2:42 pm    Post subject: Unknowns Reply with quote

The fear is that multiple tall, fast-moving blades and the migration of birds and bats may not mix well. The wind farm industry in Texas has little regulation so far and no experience in the Central Flyway. Fixed towers, the closest thing to these, already cause a lot of bird mortality in the flyway.

The bats I think will be able to take care of themselves, based on a book, The White Lady, written by naturalist named Dubkin in '52. Time magazine wrote in a review:

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Through the Fan. Now when he wanted to take her home he had to catch her in the grotto with a butterfly net. She did not seem to resent this treatment. She flew all around his house while his mother stayed locked in her own room. One night the White Lady flew through the blades of a humming electric fan. She performed the trick over & over, to demonstrate her control, but when Dubkin ran the fan at full speed (1,200 r.p.m.), she could sense that the blades were moving too fast and would not try to fly through them.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One large US investment bank led the effort to raise $1.5 billion of equity for the wind power market in 2006, with approximately $650 million allocated to it's own portfolio. The firm's renewable energy portfolio now comprises approximately $1 billion of equity investments in 26 wind farms since its inception in 2003.

Also, there is the "Federal Production Tax Credit, which is worth "nominally" $18/MWh for the first 10 years of a project has also facilitated the wind energy business. West Texas landowners are also benefiting from wind farms; many are receiving more royalties from leasing their land to wind-energy companies than from oil and gas leases. And cattle producers in West Texas might consider the $50 net revenue per acre for wind, as compared to a $5.00 profit per acre for West Texas cattle.* A landowner can receive $2000 to $5000 per year per wind turbine".

http://www.texasep.org/html/nrg/nrg_3rnw.html
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll get some video next time I'm around some of them, but I don't think anyone would ever consider them fast moving. They may kill a few bats, ducks and geese every now and then, but I'd be amazed if the mortality rate is significant to the population.

In my experience in the radio systems business (13 years), radio towers kill birds because they fly into the thin, hard to see guy wires, almost never towers. Wind generators are much wider and easier for them to see.

There have been wind turbines in West Central Texas for at least a decade. I could be wrong, but that is right in the middle of the Central Flyway that I'm familiar with, (Big Spring to Abilene to Albany). Maybe TPWD would have some data on this?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are also lots of them in California. Its quite an awesome sight to see.

I agree, these things turn so slowly. You should see birds dodge an airplane. They are not that dumb! If they can see, they won't fly into them. I am sure someone can find a fault with darn near anything we do nowadays!!!
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The big ones I have seen, the blades turn very slowly.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am in abilene where there is a huge wind farm about 20 or so miles outside of town. Those damn things are HUGE Shocked . I will try and get some pics of them and post them possibly this weekend.


Mike

Here is a pic of one of the windfarms close to here. Just to give a little perspective as to the size of these things. The blades are over 100' long and the towers stand at roughly 300' feet. Like I said before HUGE.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What we have is the need for electricity which does not rely on fossil fule sources, which pollute the air we breathe and the water we drink and fish from, and are running in shorter and shorter supplies.

Our alternatives are few. Solar, but one good hails sotrm knocks them out and they are costly to make and replace.

There is nuclear, but the drawbacks there are very obvious. FYI, nuclear is now cheaper than natural gas per kilowatt produced. But what to do with all the waste, and what if Homer is manning the switches. We'd have another three mile island episode.

So windfarms are clean, efficient and cheap. Over 20% of San Antonio energy is now being produced using windfarms, and the number is climbing.

The blades move really slow. Any birds that are hit by them must be slow themselves, and would have ended up as dinner for some lucky coyote anyway. I would think the mortality rate would be really low, or you'd have piles of dead birds under all of the fans. Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This discussion on birds makes me think of the Darwin Awards.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

iflyabeech wrote:
This discussion on birds makes me think of the Darwin Awards.


LOL... exactly. I've seen the "data" when I worked for a major environmental consulting firm before. As a matter of fact, one of the girls that worked there was doing her grad work on bird diverters on cell and radio towers. She claimed that birds of prey were killed far too often by the cables on the towers. To me... logically thinking.... if a hawk or eagle can see a field mouse from 150 feet up in the air, how in the hell can they NOT see a series of 3/4" cables attached to a tower? Likewise... with a "birds eye view" I have a hard time believing "too many" birds are killed by windmills. We're talking abotu structures that are larger than most trees..and it's not like they're moving at 10,000 RPM's.....

I know for a fact that my sliding glass door on my old house killed several birds... maybe we should impose a reduction on sliding glass doors!

The bottom line here, is that people can't claim to be sincere about reducing the use of petroleum, and at the same time fight every single alternative energy source that is proposed. I work in the oil field, and see absolutely nothing wrong with utilizing wind generated power. People have to stop acting like NIMBY's and come to realize that certain compromises have to be attained.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OIL FIELD TRASH wrote:
..and it's not like they're moving at 10,000 RPM's.....


They move at like 3 RPM!
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