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rodandroll
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Location: Kerrville, Tx
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 Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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| fishinglady wrote: | I am not opposed to duck hunting, but the noise level here on the Island has increased dramatically in the 10 years that I have lived here. .....as have the number of duck blinds within shouting distance of the houses. I can see 6-8 duck blinds from my house, and hunters also use clumps of bushes as blinds. On a weekend, there are easily 10 or more places that I can see hunters.
At least one or more of the duck hunters this year are using "magnum/double loads" or something. Some of the shots are easily twice as loud as the normal shotgun blasts. The excessive noise scares people's pets as well as the people.  Some of the closer houses actually have their windows rattled by these louder blasts.
A compromise solution might be to limit the number of duck blinds within a given area close to homes, and not permit the "double loads" that are so loud. |
Assuming that you knew the area where the duck hunting occurs was and is PUBLIC property and that duck hunting occurred there when you bought and moved in; I see absolutely no reason of any kind for your complaints. It would seem you now want to control PUBLIC property owned by all citizens for your own personal benefit. Kinda like moving in under an airport flyway that you knew was there and then bitching about the noise isn't it. The way it is now, any member of the PUBLIC can use it. The PUBLIC, under no circumstances, should need to make any sort of "compromise" for the use of PUBLIC property for your personal benefit. My suggestion is that you live with it or move! But either way don't try to deny the PUBLIC the free use of their property for your own personal benefit.
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rodandroll
Full Grown Flour Bluffian
Joined: 17 Jan 2007
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Location: Kerrville, Tx
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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| topdog15 wrote: | Classic example of folks leaving one place for another, and then trying to make the new place like the one they just left.
Sorry, but this is part of our lifestyle here. And no laws are being broken. |
YEP!! The old I'm here now, lets change everything to the way it was where I came from. We put up with that crap all the time up here in the hill country. I keep thinking if it was so damn wonderful where you came from then why are you here? Perhaps you should go back to where you came from.
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rodandroll
Full Grown Flour Bluffian
Joined: 17 Jan 2007
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Location: Kerrville, Tx
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Lone-star wrote: | It's unfortunate the way he has gone about this, because he does have some legitimate gripes however the way they are framing the issue is absurd and isn't going to gain much support.
I don't think it is unreasonable to not want a duck blind built facing your house, and being used by a guide 2-3 times a day. Additionally this guide is engaged in illegal activity, I watch him frequently harassing the ducks to give his customers shots, he will drop his customers off and then run back and forth across the flat to jump the ducks up. And apparently there's something wrong with his prop because he feels the need to blast off from the middle of the canal 100 feet from the edge of the flat throwing a huge wake through the canal. Then there's the empties littering the canals along with the whole ducks left to rot in the canal.
To me it's all the non-sense these guys hunting that side of the spoil have brought to the area, more than the actual hunting itself.
Hell, if they were just facing the other direction the noise is much more tolerable, but then they wouldn't be able to exploit all the boat traffic in the area jumping the ducks up, which is the main reason these guys hunt there.
Then there's the recent spoil fire, which was set by duck hunters, I watched them do it through high quality glass, clear as day, easily identifiable boat, if the game warden had been around it would have been very easy to catch them, however he was not.
I live in that area and I do believe he has some legitimate gripes however I disagree with how he is framing it and do not support the absurd 1 mile thing. This is more of an issue with a few particular flatbillers and I think they should be dealt with rather than making stupid new rules that affect all hunters. |
Even with my other posts I can't say that I disagree with a lot of what you say. Damage, unethical hunting, game harassment, and the type of things you indicate should never be tolerated. That said, people whining and complaining about the noise of hunting need to get a life.
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kweber
Full Grown Flour Bluffian
Joined: 08 Mar 2006
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Location: Hondo
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:06 am Post subject: |
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this reminds me of someone buying a house close to the railroad and then complaining about the noise...
and yes, it sounds louder when we shoot over water...
the sound travels father, too..
when we hunt geese in the rice-fields in Colo. Co, you can hear shots for several miles...
but, after about 1000ft, duck shot is about as dangerous as sleet...
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borntofish
Finger Mullet
Joined: 28 May 2014
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Location: Flour Bluff
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Why is it that all of these people that want to move close to outdoors feel so entitled that they think everybody has to bow down to them? Several years ago the same thing happened on Laguna shores. I still blast my horn every time I go by that .....!!!! S house. |
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ironmanstan
Exalted Ruler of Flour Bluff
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 6:34 am Post subject: |
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| borntofish wrote: | | Why is it that all of these people that want to move close to outdoors feel so entitled that they think everybody has to bow down to them? Several years ago the same thing happened on Laguna shores. I still blast my horn every time I go by that .....!!!! S house. |
That guy would even question fisherman going out to wade. We use to have camp fires out there. But it was ok for the kite boarders to destroy all the vegetation on the small piece of land and now there is only a 1/3rd left. I don't mind the duck hunters especially when they drop off ducks at my place. However and I'm not complaining it does spook the pets but it doesn't kill them lol heck my dogs don't like thunder either still waiting on a reply from God on the thunder complaint.
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fishinglady
Member White Shrimper Boot Club
Joined: 05 Feb 2007
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Location: N. Padre Island
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 9:02 am Post subject: |
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Actually, there is no way for people to know when they buy a house on the Island that there is hunting going on so close, unless they are looking during duck season. There are no posted signs, and the Realtors don't mention it. So, it's not like buying a house next to railroad tracks or airports, both of which are very visible and marked on maps, and known to all as noise makers. Most people don't expect hunting within the city limits of a medium sized city.
The first time I heard the gunfire, I instinctively ducked down, thinking some neighbor was shooting at a burglar (or spouse). Then, as I looked around, I saw men standing up on the spoil island with guns pointing in my direction. Part of my brain said "danger", another part said, "must be shotguns, not rifles, so I am probably out of range." Had I not grown up with a father and brother who hunted [deer], who schooled on the danger of guns, never point a gun in the direction of a person, differences between rifles & shotguns, etc., all parts of my brain would have been saying: "DANGER ! Gun pointing at me."
I think those who say it's just a few hunters who are creating the problem, are probably correct. Those few are probably also the ones that I have seen running their boat through large groups of ducks sitting on the shallow flats to make the ducks take off so their clients/friends could shoot the ducks. Those few are also probably responsible for the two duck blinds recently set on fire , burning much of one end of the spoil island. Those few probably didn't like it that other hunters had built blinds "too close" to their blinds. |
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RPool
Member White Shrimper Boot Club
Joined: 06 Mar 2006
Posts: 795
Location: San Antonio; Padre Island
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:20 am Post subject: |
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| topdog15 wrote: | Classic example of folks leaving one place for another, and then trying to make the new place like the one they just left.
Sorry, but this is part of our lifestyle here. And no laws are being broken. |
I bought a townhome on the island 17 years ago, a new unit on a canal. My neighbor, a truly nice lady that had moved down from Austin used to complain about new development on the island, completely ignoring that WE were the new development. I bought that place specifically to enjoy the island, the lagoon and the people exactly as they were but as Topdog points out, not everyone sees it that way. |
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topdog15
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:32 am Post subject: |
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| fishinglady wrote: | Actually, there is no way for people to know when they buy a house on the Island that there is hunting going on so close, unless they are looking during duck season. There are no posted signs, and the Realtors don't mention it. So, it's not like buying a house next to railroad tracks or airports, both of which are very visible and marked on maps, and known to all as noise makers. Most people don't expect hunting within the city limits of a medium sized city.
The first time I heard the gunfire, I instinctively ducked down, thinking some neighbor was shooting at a burglar (or spouse). Then, as I looked around, I saw men standing up on the spoil island with guns pointing in my direction. Part of my brain said "danger", another part said, "must be shotguns, not rifles, so I am probably out of range." Had I not grown up with a father and brother who hunted [deer], who schooled on the danger of guns, never point a gun in the direction of a person, differences between rifles & shotguns, etc., all parts of my brain would have been saying: "DANGER ! Gun pointing at me."
I think those who say it's just a few hunters who are creating the problem, are probably correct. Those few are probably also the ones that I have seen running their boat through large groups of ducks sitting on the shallow flats to make the ducks take off so their clients/friends could shoot the ducks. Those few are also probably responsible for the two duck blinds recently set on fire , burning much of one end of the spoil island. Those few probably didn't like it that other hunters had built blinds "too close" to their blinds. |
If you are seeing people running up the ducks, report them. This is illegal. If you see folks burning blinds, report them. This is also illegal. This is the approach that should have been taken in the first place. Unfortunately, a few folks on the island took a different angle looking to prohibit perfectly legal hunting areas in the name of noise and safety. Guns are noisy. Can't do anything about that. And the safety argument is bunk. There is no threat from duck shot at the distances in question. Also, perhaps this is an issue to take up with the island realtors. It's not the hunter's responsibility to ensure that new home buyers are aware that they will be hunting for a couple months out of the year.
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rodandroll
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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| fishinglady wrote: | Actually, there is no way for people to know when they buy a house on the Island that there is hunting going on so close, unless they are looking during duck season. There are no posted signs, and the Realtors don't mention it. So, it's not like buying a house next to railroad tracks or airports, both of which are very visible and marked on maps, and known to all as noise makers. Most people don't expect hunting within the city limits of a medium sized city.
The first time I heard the gunfire, I instinctively ducked down, thinking some neighbor was shooting at a burglar (or spouse). Then, as I looked around, I saw men standing up on the spoil island with guns pointing in my direction. Part of my brain said "danger", another part said, "must be shotguns, not rifles, so I am probably out of range." Had I not grown up with a father and brother who hunted [deer], who schooled on the danger of guns, never point a gun in the direction of a person, differences between rifles & shotguns, etc., all parts of my brain would have been saying: "DANGER ! Gun pointing at me."
I think those who say it's just a few hunters who are creating the problem, are probably correct. Those few are probably also the ones that I have seen running their boat through large groups of ducks sitting on the shallow flats to make the ducks take off so their clients/friends could shoot the ducks. Those few are also probably responsible for the two duck blinds recently set on fire , burning much of one end of the spoil island. Those few probably didn't like it that other hunters had built blinds "too close" to their blinds. |
I agree 100% with Topdog. Illegal and unethical is one thing, but your initial post was about noise and how the PUBLIC needed to compromise on their use use of their PUBLIC land for your benefit because the noise bothered you. Now you have changed your post to focus on the illegal and unethical. WHICH IS IT??
If it's the noise then all I can say is that's not an area where the PUBLIC should even consider compromising their rights for your personal benefit. You just need to deal with it or move.
If it's the illegal and unethical, then by all means raise hell and report them, but don't use that as an excuse to try to limit hunting on PUBLIC land when your real issue is the noise and you are trying to limit the PUBLICS right to use the PUBLICS land for your personal benefit. That is nothing more that a subterfuge and is deceptive and dishonest.
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Razorback
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Location: Up Chit Creek
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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I imagine the problem will eventually go away when Schexnailder develops the land west of Aquarius and Schlitterban. There are 2 blocked off canals in there that hold fresh water and that is why the ducks use that area.
The 1000 foot rule stopped hunting immediately around that area. |
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ironmanstan
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah this is a topic where no one wins. I have sat on fishinglady's deck and listened to the gun blasts. It's pretty loud but I think there is an echo effect that makes it louder. I'm pretty sure that when people buy a house in the summer the realtor is not going to bring up the fact that it's going to be loud during the winter. People that don't hunt don't know. As for the person selling the house they just see a commission. If you ever shot guns in a canyon or near a wall or berm of some kind you can get the BA-BAM effect, and you know what I'm talking about. The duck hunter's are 100% legal in what they do. This will always be a undecidable topic just like whats going on in politics right now. Tomorrow I will be flying my flag and I bet there will be someone that doesn't like it.
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kweber
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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buy a duck stamp and lic and shoot at 'em.. the Dux, I mean...
a few decoys off the dock and yall are set..
duck gumbo.. grilled, and split duck breasts wrapped in bacon...
use them livers for dirty rice...
cabbage and duck stew...
where's Sapo?
leave them black swans alone, tho...
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Tyler
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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The real losers in this are the people who have to eat the ducks! 
Nice discussion. Thanks for your input too Fishinglady.
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Lone-star
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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| ironmanstan wrote: | | The duck hunter's are 100% legal in what they do.. |
No they are not. The small group of hunters/guides which are causing the issue engage in illegal harrassment of the ducks on the flat, run on plane in the canals and waste game, additionally, I dont know how you were raised but my morals in regards to how to treat people extends beyond simply what is illegal or legal.
Running a "guide" service out of a blind facing a big neighborhood, purposefully placed to exploit boat traffic whick keeps the ducks in the air, is a jerk move no matter how you slice it.
To defend the sort of non-sense that is happening on that spoil as hunters rights is BS.
Which is why I disagree with how the issue has been framed, which makes it appear like an anti-hunting issue, which it is not. I think it should have been dealt with in a much more direct manner. However because a few have decided to abuse their "rights", all hunters, the large majority of whom were not an issue, will be affected because the people involved with this have the pull to get things changed. |
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