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Fishbites aren't the same!!
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, Acous Tennis, right about the netting! ZIA, I've always stored ALL my Fishbites in a Medicine bottle with a screw on cap and have had no prpblem with them drying out even though I keep them in the car with my other tackle. Has worked great for me! These 'new ones' stick to the inside of the medicine bottle... another reason I think they are different.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aha! Have you changed medicines?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't noticed a difference yet either.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 8:06 am    Post subject: Variations in Fishbites longevity Reply with quote

My name is Michael Carr and I'm VP of Advertising/Marketing for Carr Specialty Baits, Inc. - makers of Fishbites. First off, we thank each and every one of your for supporting our products and we consider discussions about changes in the performance of our products as being part of that support. We interpret this to mean that you really care and want the product to be the best that it can be. That's how we feel too. A little over two years ago we added more stimulant to our entire product line. We did this so that the baits would get a faster reaction time from fish in the water. Because we couldn't really control when the new baits would hit the shelves or how long it would take for them to completely replace the old formula, we did it silently. I have no doubt we succeeded because within months, our sales and the word on the street reflected the increase. One of the side effects of doing this was, you may have already guessed, it made the baits softer. Softer bait means faster melt time. However, we did not design it so that it would melt twice as fast. We know that part of the convenience factor with using Fishbites is not needing to reel the bait in every few minutes to make sure you're still good to go.
We constantly monitor the viscosity of the gels we use and have charts that predict their viscosity degradation over time. Those numbers have remained mostly unchanged since we started. If there are drastic changes in our gels that are not documented by the gel manufacturer, we usually see the difference on the plant floor. Our employees have a 6th sense about how the baits should look and feel throughout every step of the process and there are measurable ways to tell if something isn't right with the gels.
Another factor is water temperature. Extremely warm or cold water is going to change how long the baits last. The differences in melt times can be quite huge with just a small dip or rise in the water temp.
One thread on this discussion mentioned leaving the bags open and letting them dry out. Doing that will ABSOLUTELY increase their longevity in the water - just make sure you leave the open bags somewhere that pets or other animals cannot get to them. You obviously will not want to over-dry them so that they snap when you bend them. But leaving the bags open in your fridge or on a counter for a few hours will definitely boost the longevity in the water. Just keep in mind that slowing the melt time will also slow the release time of our stimulants, but since we have more in there now, that may not be such a big deal.
I hope I have answered or at least addressed the issue being discussed here. I thank everyone who chimed in with an observation. We do read these things and check our processes here in St. Augustine to make sure we haven't dropped the ball on something. You keep fishing. We'll cut bait. Tight lines and safe journeys to all of you!!!


Michael Carr
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Carr Specialty Baits, Inc - Fishbites
56 South Dixie Hwy.
Unit #7
St. Augustine, FL 32084
877-840-BAIT(2248)
fishbites.com


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, it's the same old medicine bottle I started out with years ago, lol
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks MrMike! Good observation Fishlady, and a good explanation on the softer fishbites, Michael Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 8:48 am    Post subject: Re: Variations in Fishbites longevity Reply with quote

mrmike wrote:
My name is Michael Carr and I'm VP of Advertising/Marketing for Carr Specialty Baits, Inc. - makers of Fishbites. First off, we thank each and every one of your for supporting our products and we consider discussions about changes in the performance of our products as being part of that support. We interpret this to mean that you really care and want the product to be the best that it can be. That's how we feel too.
A little over two years ago we added more stimulant to our entire product line. We did this so that the baits would get a faster reaction time from fish in the water. Because we couldn't really control when the new baits would hit the shelves or how long it would take for them to completely replace the old formula, we did it silently. I have no doubt we succeeded because within months, our sales and the word on the street reflected the increase. One of the side effects of doing this was, you may have already guessed, it made the baits softer. Softer bait means faster melt time. However, we did not design it so that it would melt twice as fast. We know that part of the convenience factor with using Fishbites is not needing to reel the bait in every few minutes to make sure you're still good to go.


I just want to point something out here. I wholeheartedly believe you when you say the intent when adding additional stimulant was to get a faster reaction time and was not to make the baits melt faster. I would just be careful about equating an increase in sales with success in the reformulation. Above you acknowledge that the additional stimulant softened the bait making it melt quicker. So it may be the case that your sales increase is a result of people buying more of the product because it's melting quicker rather than because it's catching more fish. I would submit that success in the reformulation should be measured in an improvement in caught fish. I don't know that fishbites catch more fish today than they did 2 years ago before the reformulation. To be clear, I didn't say they do or that they don't, simply that I don't know. If they catch more fish but melt quicker I think most would agree that's fine with us. Still think this is a great product.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

See MrMike's note again I added the part that was getting cut off from his original message. Nice to see folks openly wanting discussions about their product. He noticed without me sending him a message to address the questions surrounding the longevity and came back with open honest answers. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That second part was pretty important. Again, great product. If we can adjust the melt time by leaving the bag open, seems to me problem solved.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They should add an extra strip!!!!!
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great to see they responed to issues like this. Thanks mrmike for taking the time.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr.mike, what about extreme color vhange of the product. As mentioned in my thread Bags of baits I leave in my tackle box in my truck have all changed to an almost black color, even if unopened.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ziacatcher wrote:
Mr.mike, what about extreme color vhange of the product. As mentioned in my thread Bags of baits I leave in my tackle box in my truck have all changed to an almost black color, even if unopened.


They've always been like that. I keep them in the fridge or freezer. But you know those dried out bacon looking pieces still work if you can get them on the hook. Still better than leaving shrimp in your tackle box Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, What's going on here is:
The "NEW" Fishbites formula has been changed...and melts quicker and supposedly catches more fish.
The new Fishbites can be purchased at H.E.B. and they are fresh and colorful.

Like OL Sanch wrote, probably the sales went up because they "melt" faster and need to be replaced more often which leads to more purchases of product.

Just feels good to know I wasn't losing my mind when I made my complaint.

Thank you MrMike!!
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, Tyler
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