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Stinger-A · Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:16 am Post subject:

As I have not seen any home searches or sweeps preformed without a warrant or consent, I'm guessing it stops there. You have valid points about intrusive searches and your 4th amendment right. You have the right to refuse a search, however so does the guy who has four kilos of drugs in the trunk. The officer has to determine who is refusing the search because they are invoking thier 4th amendment right, and who is just trying hide something. I'm not a cop, but I believe they have a tough job, so I choose to make it easy for them and allow a search so they can focus on real bad guys.

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wallhanger · Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:51 am Post subject:

but I believe they have a tough job, so I choose to make it easy for them and allow a search so they can focus on real bad guys.

EXACTLY!

These individuals that choose to make it difficult also pave the way for the scum bags to argue the same way.

BishopRyan · Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 4:38 pm Post subject:

flounderjig · Horse Mullet Joined: 12 Nov 2009 Posts: 115

Right On Bishop Ryan.

Stinger-A · Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 5:00 pm Post subject:

That's a huge jump you just made between getting pulled over, and marshal law!! The views you share seem to be far fetched for me. Our founding fathers were great thinkers for thier time, that's why we have amendments these days, times change. I already pay half my paycheck to them, in the form of taxes. And if it keeps me safe and supplies bullets for our soldiers and or police, I'm glad too. Being I hate political debate, ill bow out and bid you tight lines fellow fisherman. Take care.

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BishopRyan · Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 5:49 pm Post subject:

JTwantsaRED · Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 8:36 pm Post subject:

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mike3887 · Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 9:44 pm Post subject:

I don't really see anyone here bashing law enforcement.

Bishop, I can understand your argument and there is indeed a fine line between too much, and just enough governing. This is why case law is made constantly. It sounds like you may have run into officers in the past that wore pants that were too big for themselves. I assure you, not all are that way but I have dealt with them as well. It doesn't look like you and I will agree on blood searches for suspected drunk drivers, however I will say that I firmly believe many people who think of driving drunk are at least thinking twice about it and maybe finding a sober way around town during 'no refusal' periods. I don't think anyone would argue that less drunks equals less deaths, especially in Austin where fatalities are on pace for an alarming historical record this year. I don't know of case law on blood warrants yet but it will be interesting when its made. There are arguments to both sides.

As far as the random stops, they are allowed by law to check for drivers license violations. It is imperative that officers not abuse powers provided to them by the state and federal government during said stops. I also believe in everyone having the right to refuse searches. I have been refused searches on cars that I knew had dope inside. It's my job to find the probable cause to search that car and if I don't have it then my view on it is I'll get you next time. The game has to be played fairly and just like with any game; you win some, you lose some.

There is no telltale sign of who is and who is not a criminal. One of my good friends, and ex-partner on the street, who was an officer in Austin was murdered just a few months ago on a shoplifting call by a kid who had a couple of misdemeanors on his record. Point is, you don't know who you're dealing with until you're dealing with them. This goes for the random stops as well. Sometimes it's a banger, sometimes a dealer, sometimes a granny, and usually an average Joe. I think the important thing is to keep patience while a job is being done. I don't get the impression that you're a cop hater or disrespectful by any means judging by your posts; you said yourself that you're generally in favor of the stops. You just want to be able to exercise your rights without scrutiny and I can definitely appreciate that. This is America dammit, more power to you.

Mike
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SharkBait · Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 9:59 pm Post subject:

wish more police officers were like mike3887...
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bluffrat · Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:03 pm Post subject:

same here, and i would hope a police officer wouldnt skip a 911 call based on something exspressed on the internet.

Johninaustin · Full Grown Flour Bluffian Joined: 03 Jun 2007 Posts: 1113

I've learned one thing on the internet. When someone throws out terms such as "Statist" or "Police State or whines about searches,

It pretty much guarantees they are dumber than a bag of carrots. Save the Anti-Authority BS for your local sovereign buddies.

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JTwantsaRED · Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 6:29 am Post subject:

After reading Mike's post I realized that I was just venting and should have kept my inappropriate statement making mouth shut. Mike's right. My apologies to the forum. Was just peeved and should have waited. Should have waited and thought a lil longer before saying anything. I would never not make a call, and I promise you I'm not the fat, lazy, inept officer that this town thinks we all are. My point should have been this.....I agree with having a CHL, limited government, and I know that there are bad cops out there. Hearing "well that last cop didn't do a d@mn thing..." all the time just gets old that's all.
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