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SharkBait Full Grown Flour Bluffian

Joined: 07 Aug 2011 Posts: 1790 Location: >*)\\\><( Flour Bluff Texas, Earth, Milky Way
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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a word of caution
if anyone decides to wade out with big bloody smelly bait to throw for sharks
be sure your leader is short enough to keep out of the water on your journey out there....
i had 4 trout fillets that hung around in my fridge for a few too many days so i took them to the beach to catch a shark. got bites on the first three fillets but no hookup.. was taking the last fillet out to the second sand bar to throw it.. well my leader was too long and the fat trout fillet was dangling in the water, as i got to the sandbar i saw a 7 foot shark 15 feet away headed right at me (i had polarized glasses on). i smashed my rod in the water between us with it in free spool and took of backwards as fast as possible. its and experience i wont forget _________________ http://www.youtube.com/user/Shark456Bait/featured
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Salts Finger Mullet
Joined: 13 Jan 2012 Posts: 34 Location: United States
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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| huh now that i think about it idont even have anyshark rigs |
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SharkBait Full Grown Flour Bluffian

Joined: 07 Aug 2011 Posts: 1790 Location: >*)\\\><( Flour Bluff Texas, Earth, Milky Way
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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all you need is some single strand wire(somewhere in the 108#-180# range is fine) a pretty good hook and a few ounces of weight and a descent swivel...
some people make it more complicated than it has to be _________________ http://www.youtube.com/user/Shark456Bait/featured
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ltorna1 Full Grown Flour Bluffian
Joined: 17 Apr 2009 Posts: 3240
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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| He who shall not be mentioned wrote: | a word of caution
if anyone decides to wade out with big bloody smelly bait to throw for sharks
be sure your leader is short enough to keep out of the water on your journey out there....
i had 4 trout fillets that hung around in my fridge for a few too many days so i took them to the beach to catch a shark. got bites on the first three fillets but no hookup.. was taking the last fillet out to the second sand bar to throw it.. well my leader was too long and the fat trout fillet was dangling in the water, as i got to the sandbar i saw a 7 foot shark 15 feet away headed right at me (i had polarized glasses on). i smashed my rod in the water between us with it in free spool and took of backwards as fast as possible. its and experience i wont forget |
Scary. But I think also illegal though: technically you can't use gamefish or any part thereof as bait. Now I think its kind of silly because really you were just trying not to let it go to waste, which in my opinion is better than throwing out, but the law is the law. Not like any game warden is going to check your hook, and then know what the filet was out there - I suppose you could have said it was a whiting. But just a heads up for next time. |
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Salts Finger Mullet
Joined: 13 Jan 2012 Posts: 34 Location: United States
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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i have 240lb
so kinda like a king rig? |
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SharkBait Full Grown Flour Bluffian

Joined: 07 Aug 2011 Posts: 1790 Location: >*)\\\><( Flour Bluff Texas, Earth, Milky Way
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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i didn't know that itorna1 thanks for the heads up i really don't fish for sharks much anymore though anyway
guess now that i think about it a buddy on the pier got a bullshark on a keeper red he said it was illegal to use as bait...worked though
Salts pretty much the same as a king rig just less hooks
i like a single J or circle,
but use a good one it doesn't have to be huge but big enough a 7/0 or 8/0 will do the trick for most fish you could cast too. you can put an egg sinker on the wire if its just a few ounces too.
careful going after any hook in a sharks mouth sometimes just cutting the wire is the best course of action...my biggest shark (400# bull bent my biggest pliers(18inch) at an 45 degree angle)  _________________ http://www.youtube.com/user/Shark456Bait/featured
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SharkBait Full Grown Flour Bluffian

Joined: 07 Aug 2011 Posts: 1790 Location: >*)\\\><( Flour Bluff Texas, Earth, Milky Way
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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anyone else used king fish belly meat for bait on the rigs its deadly for snapper and the like, but i guess illegal too  _________________ http://www.youtube.com/user/Shark456Bait/featured
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Salts Finger Mullet
Joined: 13 Jan 2012 Posts: 34 Location: United States
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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| cool thanks ill make a rig when im done writing this paper... now on to the next question does anyone want to join me on pins tomorrow? |
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cephus Flour Bluffian in training
Joined: 07 Mar 2006 Posts: 349 Location: Falfurrias, Texas
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:45 pm Post subject: Hardheads |
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They make super snapper baits! Just cut their head off behind their fins and hook the tail onto a circle hook. The Snapper like them and the Triggers have a hard time stealing them. _________________ Off Shore Port Mansfield |
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MakoJJ Member White Shrimper Boot Club

Joined: 13 Aug 2011 Posts: 814 Location: San Antonio
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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| I saw the poll about hardheads at the top. Is their any ecological benefit that they have? To me it seems like they just enjoy stealing bait and stabbing things... |
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ltorna1 Full Grown Flour Bluffian
Joined: 17 Apr 2009 Posts: 3240
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Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 8:52 am Post subject: |
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| hardheads, just like anything else out there, are ecologically important. For one, in addition to eating live food they are also scavengers and they are very numerous - put those two together you wouldn't believe what kind of positive "house cleaning"effect that has on the bays and coastal waters. Scavengers are basically a whole separate level to the food web Different species of "hard heads"or sea-cats (genus Ariopsis and Arius)occur throughout world, all the way down to brazil in the atlantic, and do pretty much the same thing ecologically wherever they are. They aren't considered a "nuisance" everywhere else in the world. The only reason it seems like there are so many of them here is because we do a pretty damn good job at removing other predators but leave them behind. If you want to catch less hardheads, use a lure. Killing them and leaving them on the shore can puncture peoples shoes and tires, and sends the wrong message to young fishermen - "if I don't use it, it doesn't deserve to live". |
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carolina kinger Flour Bluffian in training
Joined: 21 May 2011 Posts: 432 Location: Alice Tx.
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Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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| ltorna1 wrote: | | hardheads, just like anything else out there, are ecologically important. For one, in addition to eating live food they are also scavengers and they are very numerous - put those two together you wouldn't believe what kind of positive "house cleaning"effect that has on the bays and coastal waters. Scavengers are basically a whole separate level to the food web Different species of "hard heads"or sea-cats (genus Ariopsis and Arius)occur throughout world, all the way down to brazil in the atlantic, and do pretty much the same thing ecologically wherever they are. They aren't considered a "nuisance" everywhere else in the world. The only reason it seems like there are so many of them here is because we do a pretty damn good job at removing other predators but leave them behind. If you want to catch less hardheads, use a lure. Killing them and leaving them on the shore can puncture peoples shoes and tires, and sends the wrong message to young fishermen - "if I don't use it, it doesn't deserve to live". |
GOOD POINT! |
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ccfishingcoach Flour Bluffian in training

Joined: 22 Jan 2012 Posts: 433 Location: Close to Gates Donuts...MMM MMM
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 8:47 am Post subject: |
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X3...Let it live if you aren't going to eat it or use it for bait. _________________ Fish On! |
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Ol Sanch Flour Bluffian in training
Joined: 05 Jun 2006 Posts: 320
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:23 am Post subject: |
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I've used hard heads successfully to catch reds. I was catching reds pretty effectively one day on PINS. I caught a hard head and thought I'd try it as bait. It worked. _________________ Do you even fish, Bro? |
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ROBDOG Member White Shrimper Boot Club

Joined: 30 Oct 2007 Posts: 790 Location: North Padre Island
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:37 am Post subject: |
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| Hardheads make good shark baits and they are great when used live for ling offshore. Just don't throw them on the beach they are bad news for people and tires..... |
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