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[Tarzan]

Today on PINS, there was a large group set up right at the 4WD sign and these people had the almost the whole beach blocked off. They even had ropes strung up over the low road so nobody could pass. One truck was displaying a banner that read tx-outdoors.com. I have just visited their website to see who these people are and let me say that I am NOT impressed. Looks to me like a bunch of "trophy" hunters who have no regard for anything other than something to put on their wall to brag about. What a pi$$ poor example of "outdoorsmen" LOL. If anybody who reads this board knows any of these guys, please try to explain to these @#$%^'s that the beach is not their private hunting lease. They are a DISCRACE to real fishing clubs like the SFCCI etc... It will be very interesting to see if this bunch even bothers to clean up their mess. There is no excuse for that kind of behavior from an individual, much less an organization. And, although I would never wish any harm to anyone, I wouldn't be shocked or really too upset if some idiot drunk redneck comes flying through there and hurts one of these a-holes. There are several reasons not to sit in the middle of the road.
later,
Ernie

[Tuna]

Last weekend on PINS showed the true ignorance of some people on the beach. We passed by several camps that had the low and middle roads completely blocked off. In addition, some people had dug trenches, not small ruts, I mean trenches, that going even very slowly through, felt like it could cause a damage to a truck. I very calmly let someone know how I felt about that by dusting their bar-b-que pit with a sand storm which they left open right near their "speed bumps" in the HIGH ROAD. And I mean I freakin dusted their pit. Even had I not floored it and whipped my truck's back end near their pit, it was still hard to get around them with the torn up sand and the huge logs they had put out that forced drivers almost into the dunes. I've never voiced my opinions and I have always kept my cool in these situations, but of you show me complete ignorance, I'm not gonna be able to keep my cool on the sand anymore. You will notice that the farther you get down the beach, the better the camps are set up and people are GENERALLY more courteous to drivers and vice versa. People these days still find a way to surprise me.
Tuna
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[Guest]

Tyler, Colin Campbell tells me he and other P.I.N.S. people aren't able to receive my emails, so, if you have had better luck communicating with the National Seashore folks, suggest to him that he read this board regularly and take appropriate action to see the beach roadways are kept open when someone takes the trouble to report such problems here. The posters on this board provide excellent eyes and ears to supplement those of his staff. Ideally, of course, he already watches the board, the rangers will also have already taken care of this specific headache, and he will come up with a way for preventing it from recurring. A few new signs, perhaps?

[Tarzan]

Good for you Tuna. You are right on about people being a lot more polite way down the beach. And, I think we both know the reason for that. Most people like that are true cowards and only behave like that when there are a bunch of people around to save them. The most ignorant thing that I have ever seen was about two years ago when me and Spurlock were coming back from way down south just before dark, and there was a huge log that a man had dragged across the low road. Well, all we could see was the log and his truck. We stopped to tell him of the danger that he had created and to our surprise, he, his wife, and two small children were SITTING on the log behind the truck and roasting something over a fire right there!!! We tried to tell him that a stupid drunk doing 60mph in the dark wouldn't see, much less care about that log or his children, and that if they were sitting there and someone plowed into the log or the truck, they would be seriosly hurt and without help 50 miles down the beach. Well, he went into a cursing fit and told us he was tired of people speeding through "HIS" camp, and he wasn't moving the log or his family. We just shook our heads and left. The only thing that made me feel better about the situation was that as we drove north, I looked through the back window and saw his wife leading the children away from the log to the back of the truck. There are just too many morons in the world today!!
later,
Ernie

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[tyler]

I have met most of those folks, Mike and the gang and they are okay in my book. Our friend Seabass has been a part of that group for a long time. In fact the SFCCI had a great get together with them several years ago Tarzan where we made we "Doo Poo Stew" and ate BBQ'd wild hog that the TX Outdoor guys brought down that was fabulous. I don't know if you were there for that or not. What blocked things off to me was the number of folks fishing down low, again that was okay by me as most of the time I don't count on being able to take the low road by the water from the 5 mile mark back up the the pavement, especially on the weekend. Though I don't recall seeing any ropes blocking off the access, there may have been which is a definite no no. What got me, Billy S and the others to move back up to the kidney jarring high road was the number of rods going out over the low road. The main thing with me on that first five miles of PINS is that I don't expect to be able to go on the low road on weekends it is just too crowded most of the time. It sure would have been nice to be able to go low on that North end as it is just awful on the high road. When you get past the four wheel drive sign, (mainly way south where you have to have four wheel drive to go) blocking off the low road is a problem when it forces people into soft sand causing big ruts making the driving even worse.
Speaking of that storied "Fish Stew" here is the photo which gave it the revised name that evening. Who let the dogs out?

[cduke88]

I was also down towards big shell this weekend and I was ticked off with the way that people were parking. Someone even had cones out to drive around. I think it was rude of them to try to own that little part of the beach.
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[Tarzan]

Tyler, I feel the same way about the first 5 miles or so, mainly because there are far more childern on that part of the beach. I didn't even notice the rope/tape on the way south, just their lines strung over the low road. The lines are a pain, but hey, if you fish all day from high tide down, nobody says you have to move your rods down with the water line, that is just lazy and inconsiderate. What really got me angry with these guys was the rope/ barracade tape running from the high road all the way to the water line that I saw on the way back north. In my opinion, that was way out of line, rude, and worst of all, very dangerous. And, I was probably out of line by naming tx-outdoors as being responsible for that behavior, but that is what was written on a huge banner on one of the trucks. And, by the way, I went back today to check on the mess left by those jerks and sure enough here is what I found: several Shark fins, Jack and Redfish heads, a Shark fetus, about 20 HEB cola cans, some beer cans, salt and pepper packaging, a broken beach chair, parts of a metal grill, a few wads of discarded fishing line, and the remains of two beach fires full of trash and cans. I was not a bit surprised...
later,
Ernie
P.S. It only takes a few bad aplles to discrace the name of any organization.

[RttlTrap]

Speaking of all that, when is the surfcats tourney?

[Tarzan]

I think surfcats is set for mid October. I almost compared these guys to the surfcats, but the surfcats did a pretty good job last year of cleaning up after themselves. I certainly believe that the discussions we had on this and other boards about watching them and reporting them for their littering and wasting of good fish(which is illegal) had alot to do with their change in behavior. I can remember one guy who threatened to sit at the trash cans on PINS with a digital camera and get pictures of them dumping game fish off with license plate #'s. It is sure a shame that a group of total losers can ruin the name of an club/tournament forever. Surfcats is a perfect example of that. I can promise you that anytime I see a group down the beach with surfcat t-shirts on, I will be watching and ready to report anything illegal. You guys should see an SFCCI camp after a 3-4-5 day blowout. Not a speck of trash, and as a matter of fact, less trash than there was before. Anyway, the main thing is that these guys showed themselves for who they really are this weekend and there will be at least a few of us who will be watching them a little closer next time.
later,
Ernie

[RttlTrap]

Last year I broke my own rule of staying off the beach during the SC tournament. Trenches, trash, camps from the dunes to the water (for miles), kids running around unsupervised, bajillion candlepower flood lights pointerd down the beach blinding drivers trying to navigate through the camps
Never again.

[Tuna]

I never expect the first ten or so miles on the beach to be low road driving, and I respect all the tourists and the children onthe first five miles of the beach. Most of those people don't really know what they are doing, generally speaking, so people blocking the roads there isn't usually a problem. But these guys that I salted the bar-b-que for were south of the fifteen, so they have no business blocking both roads, digging large trenches, AND putting logs in the roads around their camp. But, ignorance is bliss and we're just gonna have to deal with idiots on the beach. At least we can still drive on it.
Tuna
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[pebster]

I agree, ignorance is bliss. I'm sure a few of these campers and fishermen would abide by proper beach etiquette, and the law, if they knew what it was. Sometimes common sense isn't part of the equation. Maybe a large sign with big letters is in order to remind those that although PINS is a primitive beach, it's not a free-for-all and some brainpower along with a 4x4 may be needed. - Pebster

[Lady_Cazadores]

I was there at the beach BBQ, and TO CLARIFYand CORRECT A FALSE ACCUSATION:

I believe the law states that you are not to drive within what? 15-20 feet of the surf. We put up poles to block persons from driving within 10 ft of the surf, because kids were playing in the surf and immediate beach front. This was done AFTER two persons drove through TOO fast, endangering children, and snagging fishing lines. THE BEACH ACCESS ROAD WAS NEVER BLOCKED, and IS the road that is provided by the state for persons to drive on, it was in perfect driving condition BTW, for both 4 wheel drives and 2 wheel drives. Several persons from our camp came and went using this VERY road in their 2 wheel drive vehicles, with NO PROBLEMS at all.

Now tell me, if it were YOUR children, and YOUR fishing poles, would you not have been pissed to see vehicles tearing through your camp with no consideration to the saftey of the kids, and no consideration for the lines that were in the water...So if there is any DISCRACE, it'd be on the part of the dolts who drove too close to the surf, when the actual BEACH ACCESS road was in perfect drivable condition.

The park ranger stopped to talk to us earlier in the day because he was a fan of the site. We chatted with them for 30-40 minutes about fishing, and hunting and the site. They had no problems with our poles to protect the kids. Several rangers drove by, and they had no problems with our campsites either.

So get your facts straight, the beach is big enough for everyone. But when it comes to inconsiderate dolts wanting to plow through our camp, endangering my children and others, when there is a perfectly serviceable BEACH ACCESS ROAD, that is easily accessible by anyone who had any ability to drive at all, there's no excuse for it.

TX-outdoors PROMOTES good sportsmenship, proper beach etiquette, and abiding by the laws. We've attended beach clean ups in the past, and will continue to do so. I cannot account for the actions of ALL the persons there, as some left after we did, but our area was left CLEAN. We took several bags of trash with us when we left, because we like to leave the beach CLEANER than before we got there. We don't believe in being wasteful of game of any sort. We even participate in hunters for the hungry.

Regards,

Michelle Christman
from TX-Outdoors

[Guest]

I saw what tarzan saw, you all thrashed it. Nice facts though.